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  • send them to an American tribunal for adjudication

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  • treat them as prisoners of war despite not being in uniform

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  • hand them over to the authorities of whatever nation they are captured in

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Thread: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

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    Re: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I don't see how they would be spies unless they were working for our government and sending ISIS information.

    If an American were found fighting for ISIS inside, say, Iraq, he should be handed over to the Iraqis. It is their country.

    If an American is found inside the US actively assisting ISIS, then he should be prosecuted inside the US for assisting a criminal organization. What would we do with an American who was assisting one of the powerful drug cartels from inside the US?
    combatants caught not wearing the identifiable uniform of a national combatant can be shot as spies.



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    Re: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I think I remember that it used to be that an American citizen who served in the armed forces of another country was in jeopardy of losing his citizenship. Is that true? Not that it's relevant in this case.
    Yes, it is true.

    8 U.S. Code § 1481

    (a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
    (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
    (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
    (3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if
    (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or
    (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer
    ; or
    (4)
    (A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or
    (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or
    (5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or
    (6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or
    (7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.
    (b) Whenever the loss of United States nationality is put in issue in any action or proceeding commenced on or after September 26, 1961 under, or by virtue of, the provisions of this chapter or any other Act, the burden shall be upon the person or party claiming that such loss occurred, to establish such claim by a preponderance of the evidence. Any person who commits or performs, or who has committed or performed, any act of expatriation under the provisions of this chapter or any other Act shall be presumed to have done so voluntarily, but such presumption may be rebutted upon a showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the act or acts committed or performed were not done voluntarily.
    I don't think it would apply here because ISIS is not a recognized state.

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    Re: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Treason? Why?
    Get them hooked up with a counselor, right?
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    Re: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    combatants caught not wearing the identifiable uniform of a national combatant can be shot as spies.
    Interesting. Is that only outside US borders? Could Americans fighting on behalf of a cartel inside Mexico be designated a spy?

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    Re: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Interesting. Is that only outside US borders? Could Americans fighting on behalf of a cartel inside Mexico be designated a spy?
    anyone caught fighting not wearing a uniform could be considered a spy



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    Re: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Get them hooked up with a counselor, right?
    I'm wondering why an American fighting against the government of Iraq or Syria is guilty of treason? Sounds kinda bizarre, don't it?
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    Re: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I'm wondering why an American fighting against the government of Iraq or Syria is guilty of treason? Sounds kinda bizarre, don't it?
    if they are captured by US troops its pretty assured they are fighting against the US but I see your point

    lts suppose they are firing on British or Canadian troops but a US special forces platoon captures them?



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    Re: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

    If it cannot be proven they'd taken up arms against the US or allies, strip them of citizenship and give them a plane ticket to wherever they want to go. If they did take up arms, hold them as POW's until the war on terror ends.
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    Re: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

    Try them for treason, then execute them.
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    Re: What should be done to Americans caught being ISIS members by US Forces

    If captured on the battlefield and are not wearing the uniform of a sovereign state, execution by musketry.

    Any American who's waging war against America or an ally should be tried by a military court for treason and if found guilty, execution by musketry.

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