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Thread: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

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    Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York



    Apparently, New Yorkers are just kind of creepy and impolite people in general.

    Who'd have thunk it, huh?

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    My bad. I forgot to add the poll. I'll see if a mod can't fix it. lol
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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Poor men, such victims of society. Oh, the struggle.

    We shall overcome!

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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Or, you know... It could simply be the case that neither group are "victims" and this whole thing is really little more than a lot of artificially manufactured outrage about nothing.


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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Apparently, New Yorkers are just kind of creepy and impolite people in general.

    Who'd have thunk it, huh?

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    My bad. I forgot to add the poll. I'll see if a mod can't fix it. lol
    I actually quite like New Yorkers. I'd say I actually get harassed less there than in Minneapolis.

    Anyway, there is a street harassment issue for men, but I have never heard of it in the way it's being portrayed here, which is to say dominantly in the context of objectifying sexual harassment.

    Often, for men, street harassment takes the form of basically hate speech. It's particularly targeted at men who fit someone's stereotype of "gay" or "queer" (whether they consider themselves such or not). About a quarter of men report street harassment. That's obviously much higher than the percentage who actually are gay or queer. I haven't seen an exact break-down of how much harassment of men is of the hate speech variety, and how much is other types of harassment.

    National Street Harassment Report- Stop Street Harassment

    I admit I'm rather skeptical of your video. He's basically contending that men get three times as much street harassment as women... despite the fact that it's still at least half if not mostly guys doing it. I'm sorry, but I really don't buy that.
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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I actually quite like New Yorkers. I'd say I actually get harassed less there than in Minneapolis.

    Anyway, there is a street harassment issue for men, but I have never heard of it in the way it's being portrayed here, which is to say dominantly in the context of "positive" (if you want to call it that) sexual harassment.

    Often, for men, street harassment takes the form of basically hate speech. It's particularly targeted at men who fit someone's stereotype of "gay" or "queer" (whether they consider themselves such or not). About a quarter of men report street harassment. That's obviously much higher than the percentage who actually are gay or queer. I haven't seen an exact break-down of how much harassment of men is of the hate speech variety, and how much is other types of harassment.

    National Street Harassment Report- Stop Street Harassment

    I admit I'm rather skeptical of your video. He's basically contending that men get three times as much street harassment as women... despite the fact that it's still at least half if not mostly guys doing it. I'm sorry, but I really don't buy that.
    I've arguably been "harassed" a couple of times. Once or twice, I've had douchebags shout things at me from passing cars while walking around downtown, for instance.

    When I worked pushing shopping carts the summer before starting college, I actually used to get "cat called" by teenaged girls fairly often as well.

    However, I can't say that I've noticed "harassment" as being a major issue one way or the other apart from that.

    I'm also not necessarily sure if the video was meant to imply that men have it "worse" than women per se. It was simply pointing out that men are sometimes harassed just like women are.

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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Or, you know... It could simply be the case that neither group are "victims" and this whole thing is really little more than a lot of artificially manufactured outrage about nothing.


    So if you're not a victim of society then no one can be?


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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I've arguably been "harassed" a couple of times. Once or twice, I've had douchebags shout things at me from passing cars while walking around downtown, for instance.

    When I worked pushing shopping carts the summer before starting college, I actually used to get "cat called" by teenaged girls fairly often as well.

    However, I can't say that I've noticed "harassment" as being a major issue one way or the other apart from that.

    I'm also not necessarily sure if the video was meant to imply that men have it "worse" than women per se. It was simply pointing out that men tend to be harassed just like women do.
    Well, he says he was out for three hours, and the woman who did the original video was out for 10. So yes, he's basically claiming men get harassed three times more. Bunk. I am very much willing to bet this was staged.

    At any rate, if we're going by personal experience...

    1. There's myself, of course. The amount I have experienced used to be fairly high, and has declined rapidly. Too fast for my age or looks to be the reason (though I don't think I've changed much as of yet). Seeing as how, if anything, I dress nicer now than I used to, I can only assume it's something about my posture. It's worth noting I have never been harassed at work, but I know many women who have. Perhaps I'm cross-applying whatever works for me in that capacity. Or, perhaps, it's being nicer dressed itself, which would say something interesting about socioeconomics.

    2. Other women. I see it semi-frequently. I actually get harassed more when I'm out with other women than I do alone, these days.

    3. Men. I've seen a couple cases of the homophobic slur thing, and one case of objectifying sexual harassment (and interestingly, this was also near a college). So it exists, but my experience reflects the stats; it's much less common.

    I don't think men get harassed "just like" women do. Most women can't count high enough to tell you how often, by the time they're our age. And men who do get harassed tend to get it for very different reasons, in reality. Like harassment of women, it usually reflects a marginalized status attached to how they look.

    ..Apart from whatever's going on with colleges, which is interesting, and I really wish I saw a better stat break-down for men.
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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So if you're not a victim of society then no one can be?
    And? Why are only women VICTIMS of society, Eco, where men who receive harassment are not?

    Why is "Society" to blame at all, and not simply crass behavior?

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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    And? Why are only women VICTIMS of society, Eco, where men who receive harassment are not?

    Why is "Society" to blame at all, and not simply crass behavior?
    It's not an individual thing, it's a societal thing. I suppose you, personally, can claim to be a victim of society all you want (even if that's like every thread all the time).

    But you're in the majority power and enjoy systemic privilege, so pretending your gender is a victim is lame.

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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Well, he says he was out for three hours, and the woman who did the original video was out for 10. So yes, he's basically claiming men get harassed three times more. Bunk. I am very much willing to bet this was staged.

    At any rate, if we're going by personal experience...

    1. There's myself, of course. The amount I have experienced used to be fairly high, and has declined rapidly. Too fast for my age or looks to be the reason (though I don't think I've changed much as of yet). Seeing as how, if anything, I dress nicer now than I used to, I can only assume it's something about my posture. It's worth noting I have never been harassed at work, but I know many women who have. Perhaps I'm cross-applying whatever works for me in that capacity. Or, perhaps, it's being nicer dressed itself, which would say something interesting about socioeconomics.

    2. Other women. I see it semi-frequently. I actually get harassed more when I'm out with other women than I do alone, these days.

    3. Men. I've seen a couple cases of the homophobic slur thing, and one case of objectifying sexual harassment (and interestingly, this was also near a college). So it exists, but my experience reflects the stats; it's much less common.

    I don't think men get harassed "just like" women do. Most women can't count high enough to tell you how often, by the time they're our age. And men who do get harassed tend to get it for very different reasons, in reality. Like harassment of women, it usually reflects a marginalized status attached to how they look.

    ..Apart from whatever's going on with colleges, which is interesting, and I really wish I saw a better stat break-down for men.
    Or he just didn't feel like walking around for 10 hours, and wanted to be honest about the amount of time that had elapsed

    You're making a lot of presumptions here, is my point. He never said that he thought men had it worse. As a matter of fact, there are actually noticeably fewer incidents on his tape than there were on the female version.

    Where the issue of harassment is concerned, that depends upon a couple of different things.

    How are you defining it, first off?

    Secondly, the company one keeps and the environment they are in play roles as well.

    People tend to be a bit more "polite" in general here in the South, so it tends to be something you don't see especially often (in my experience, anyway). I also tend to avoid seedy areas and seedy people.

    That might explain why I haven't seen all that many examples of it.

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