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Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

Is street harassment of men an issue?

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Kal'Stang said:
Racial bigotry and racism is the same thing.
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This is, quite clearly, denying the existence of actual racism, systemic privilege, in society. Denying the existence of racism is -in fact- racist.
 
ecofarm said:
No, it's defined by social dynamics and systemic privilege being perpetuated or not. Your "everything is the same" and "individual actions occur in a vacuum" is just ignorance. It's easy to see that your premise is BS. You abandon all context and social understanding in order to create a false equivalence in which racism is supposedly ok because minorities organize for a more equal society. Your entire paradigm is based on "us vs. them" and not improving society. It's myopic and maniacally self centered.

It is impossible for you to consider a social perspective? I guess that explains why social issues are a mystery for you. You pretend society does not exist and all individual actions take place in a void.
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I consider the social perspective just fine. But I also realize that society is not what it is because society says it is. Society is what it is because of individuals. You seem to think that society makes people. I do not agree. I believe that it is individuals that make up society. And I'd like for you to prove me wrong by proving your claim as being correct. Good luck on that as there isn't a single thing in life that isn't made up of smaller individual things.


ecofarm said:
Gross ignorance.

Why do you want to ignore all of history, social dynamics and the very real oppression that continues to exist in society today. Oh, I know! So that you can blame the plight of minorities on inferiority?
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:lamo Inferiority? Well...at least you are finally admitting what racism is really about. Problem is that I don't blame minorities for such an idiotic thing. And I'd challenge you to go through every single one of my 18K posts to prove otherwise.
 
ecofarm said:
This is, quite clearly, denying the existence of actual racism, systemic privilege, in society. Denying the existence of racism is -in fact- racist.
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Says the person that says that white solidarity is racist but black solidarity is not. :roll:
 
Kal'Stang said:
Says the person that says that white solidarity is racist but black solidarity is not. :roll:
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Juuuuust wondering: was black solidarity during the civil rights movement racist?
 
Cardinal said:
Juuuuust wondering: was black solidarity during the civil rights movement racist?
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Nope. Which in other posts has been my point. Eco says that white solidarity is racist while black solidarity is not. I've said in a previous post that if one is racist then the other is to. But if one is not racist then the other is not. Anything else is hypocritical.
 
Gathomas88 said:
No, not really. Certain people in this thread simply happen to be obsessed with trying to apply the "victim" label to anyone with an opinion they dislike, as they imagine that it will, in essence, "shame" them into silence and submission.

I have no shame, so, unfortunately for them, this clearly did not work. :lol:

Seeing as how there are no male homosexuals here, your particular tangent simply didn't really "take off" either, so to speak.

In any case, my ultimate position on this matter is the same as Roguenuke's. There are no "victims" here, other than those who allow themselves to be "victimized" in the first place.

The whole thing is much ado about nothing.
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I don't think anyone in the original video were saying that they were victims, rather the annoyance of the same crap they have to put up with. I've been talked to like that many times, sometimes it's flattering, sometimes it's plain creepy and uncomfortable!!
 
Cardinal said:
Juuuuust wondering: was black solidarity during the civil rights movement racist?
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Solidarity is neither racist, nor non-racist, in and of itself. It depends on what a group happens to do with it.

That's the whole point which Eco is refusing to acknowledge here. He wants to enforce a double standard which basically holds that solidarity is only "racist" when whites do it, but not only perfectly acceptable for everyone else, but to be actively encouraged.

That's exactly why the thing is so inherently nonsensical.

At the end of the day, the worldview is focused upon revenge and revolutionary supremacy, not "equality." Eco's entire ideology really boils down to little more than an excuse to tear "whitey" down in retribution for perceived past wrongdoings, in order to build everyone else up.

It's the internalized self-loathing and reverse racism so intrinsic to Left Wing multicultural "white guilt" taken to its extreme and self-destructive logical conclusion.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
It is about revenge and supremacy, not "equality."
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That might be what you're about but it's not what society and progress are about. You need to leave your "us vs. them" paradigm and begin understanding social issues from a social perspective.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Nope. Which in other posts has been my point. Eco says that white solidarity is racist while black solidarity is not. I've said in a previous post that if one is racist then the other is to. But if one is not racist then the other is not. Anything else is hypocritical.
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So black solidarity was not racist but it is now? When did we reach the mountaintop?
 
ecofarm said:
That might be what you're about but it's not what society and progress are about. You need to leave your "us vs. them" paradigm and begin understanding social issues from a social perspective.
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You are doing no such thing. You are deliberately encouraging everyone else to look at these issues through a militantly "us vs them" paradigm, while not only refusing whites the ability to do the same, but basically telling them that they never had an "us" to begin (in spite of all evidence to the contrary).

You are essentially suggesting that whites deliberately go out of their way to sacrifice themselves, their identity, their culture, and everything it built, just so other groups can get ahead.

I'm sorry, but not everyone's worldview is so insanely warped, bigoted, and self-loathing as to consider that as being a desirable goal.
 
Gathomas88 said:
You are deliberately encouraging everyone else to look at these issues through an "us vs them" paradigm,
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No, that's your problem. You have failed to grasp the concept of minority solidarity fighting for a more equal society while majority solidarity is oppressive.

It's not a complicated thing. I find most kids can understand this.


I'm sorry, but not everyone's worldview is so insanely warped, bigoted, and self-loathing as to consider that as being a desirable goal.
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Why not just call me a race traitor instead of this half-assed weak sauce.
 
ecofarm said:
No, that's your problem. You have failed to grasp the concept of minority solidarity fighting for a more equal society while majority solidarity is oppressive.

It's not a complicated thing. I find most kids can understand this.
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Blah, blah, blah... I don't give a sh*t.

Bottom line: "I think Whitey's oppressing the brown people, so everyone needs to rise up against him so he can be cut down to size!"

That IS your worldview in a nut shell, and it IS a "black and white" mockery of anything even remotely resembling a sane understanding of "social issues."

You simply happen to be more in favor of internalized subversion, rather than blatant bloody "revolution."
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Blah, blah, blah... I don't give a sh*t.
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Impressive argument. Did you put your fingers in your ears while you typed that?

Bottom line: "I think Whitey's oppressing the brown people,
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Whitie is not oppressing brown people?
 
Gathomas88 said:
If you believe that, you're a racist.

Sorry, but that's all there is to it. :shrug:
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You're pulling a "he who smelt it dealt it" with racism?!

(got that from Jon Stewart)
 
ecofarm said:
You're pulling a "he who smelt it dealt it" with racism?!

(got that from Jon Stewart)
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No, not really. You're a cut and dry bigot, who embraces a personal ideology with clearly racist ideas.

They simply happen to be targeted against whites, rather than minorities.

No, I don't give a damn about your absurd and bigoted personal definition of "racism" either. I'm talking about real racism.

The kind that actually exists outside the heads of people named "Eco."
 
Gathomas88 said:
No, not really.
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Yes, really. You claimed that anyone who thinks the majority oppresses minorities in the US is a racist. You claim that anyone recognizing actual systemic racism is a racist.

That might be the most stupid thing I've seen at this website. And I think it demonstrates a disconnect from reality.

I'm talking about real racism.
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Yeah, real racism is people that believe the majority oppresses minorities in the US.

:screwy



You're such a victim of racism! Who's playing "the race card" now? You are.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Please show me where I said it was? Try to avoid twisting my words. ;)
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You claimed black solidarity was not racist during the civil rights movement but it is now. That means the civil rights movement has ended because we've reached the mountaintop.

Do you also believe claiming the majority oppresses minorities is racist? That's also a statement based on society having reached the mountaintop.

If we have reached the mountaintop, please tell us what year that happened.
 
ecofarm said:
You claimed black solidarity was not racist during the civil rights movement but it is now. That means the civil rights movement has ended because we've reached the mountaintop.

Do you also believe claiming the majority oppresses minorities is racist? That's also a statement based on society having reached the mountaintop.

If we have reached the mountaintop, please tell us what year that happened.
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Again, show me where I stated that black solidarity is racist now. And again, try to avoid twisting my words.
 
ecofarm said:
Yes, really. You claimed that anyone who thinks the majority oppresses minorities in the US is a racist. You claim that anyone recognizing actual systemic racism is a racist.

That might be the most stupid thing I've seen at this website. And I think it demonstrates a disconnect from reality.



Yeah, real racism is people that believe the majority oppresses minorities in the US.

:screwy

You're such a victim of racism! Who's playing "the race card" now? You are.
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You're the one suggesting that a massive portion of our population be not only systemically deprived of certain rights and social freedoms, but be allowed to be freely targeted by groups with opposing, simply on the basis of their race and ethnicity, not me.

It's rather clear that one of us is a "racist" here. However, it certainly isn't your's truly. :roll:
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Again, show me where I stated that black solidarity is racist now. And again, try to avoid twisting my words.
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So black solidarity today is not racist?

What about white solidarity?

You're gonna claim white solidarity is not racist, right?


Are those that claim the majority oppresses minorities automatically racists? You agree with Gath about that?
 
Gathomas88 said:
It's rather clear that one of us is a "racist" here. However, it certainly isn't your's truly. :roll:
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Yeah, it's not the guy that claims white solidarity is cool and those that think the majority oppresses minorities are racists.

You do realize 99.9% of this forum believes the majority oppresses minorities, right? You just called 99.9% of this forum racists.
 
ecofarm said:
Yeah, it's not the guy that claims white solidarity is cool and those that think the majority oppresses minorities are racists.
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Right.... Because everything wrong with the world today is clearly the fault of white people, and would be solved if we simply replaced their influence with that of another group. :roll:

Again, if you can't see how that is an intrinsically bigoted, and even "racist," point of view, I'm afraid that there's nothing else to say here.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Right.... Because everything wrong with the world today is clearly the fault of white people,
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No one claimed that. You've left the realm of reality.

Do you ever not claim to be a victim?
 
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