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Thread: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not an individual thing, it's a societal thing.
    A tiny minority of random assholes with poor impulse control and worse manners speak for "society" in general?

    Prove it.
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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    A tiny minority random assholes with poor manners and impulse control speak for "society" in general?

    Prove it.
    Are you actually claiming that if men are not victims of society then neither are women? What kind of "logic" is that? Do you even understand what being in the majority power, social dynamics and systemic privilege mean?

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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Are you actually claiming that if men are not victims of society then neither are women? What kind of "logic" is that? Do you even understand what being in the majority power, social dynamics and systemic privilege mean?
    You haven't presented evidence for either group being "victims" in this particular case.

    All you've done is blindly assert a blatant double-standard, which seems to imply that, even when faced with the same kinds of negative discrimination, only women can be considered to be "victims."
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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    I personally feel that neither men nor women truly get harassed sexually at a level that should be considered a major concern, not as a group. There might be some individuals who face excessive harassment, but my guess is that in most cases, there is something else there, such as how they look or how they act, and they know many of their harassers, at least in passing. I don't doubt that women are harassed more than men, mainly due to the fact that men are the more frequent harassers and most men are attracted to women.

    However, I must add a personal anecdote in here. The worst "sexual harassment" I ever had (and personally, it really wasn't that big of a deal) involved a female perpetrator. This drunk girl cupped my boobs while I was trying to help her walk down the street to get home. I have never had a guy touch my breasts without my permission (either verbally or very obviously implied in the actions leading up to it). I have had two different women (at least) touch them though, neither of which I was in any type of relationship with (I wouldn't have considered either one "friends" in fact, merely acquaintances from a bar). Plus, the times where I faced harassment from men that might have gotten out of hand, someone intervened long before any problems. I have had my protests about a guy touching me (rubbing my arm) while I was drunk and trying to go to sleep end in me sleeping on this couple's bed while they slept in the room just outside their bedroom, acting as guards to the door and the guy who was touching me being kicked out into the literal cold. The guy who fell in love with me and kept trying everything in his power to get with me, including telling me he was going to die and calling the ship 2 weeks after I reported onboard to get me to call him ended up with a note in his record saying that he could not be stationed on the same coast as I was and I had at least one Master Chief who was asking me if I needed him to call the guy to have a "conversation" with him. I also had a guy who wouldn't take no for an answer while at the bar when I didn't want to dance with him immediately be confronted by the girls there with me with a bouncer on the way if he would have persisted more.
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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    You haven't presented evidence for either group being "victims" in this particular case.
    I don't need to. I'm just countering the idiotic notion that if men are not victims then no one is. You made a claim based on absolute BS, devoid of logic and reason, and now I'm supposed to pretend you presented an actual argument? Laughable.

    All you've done is blindly assert a blatant double-standard, which seems to imply that, even when faced with the sames kinds of negative discrimination, only women can be considered to be "victims."
    No, I called your OP BS and then you threw a fit claiming no one is a victim.

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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't need to. I'm just countering the idiotic notion that if men are not victims then no one is. You made a claim based on absolute BS, devoid of logic and reason, and now I'm supposed to pretend you presented an actual argument? Laughable.

    No, I called your OP BS and then you threw a fit claiming no one is a victim.
    In other words, you have no intention whatsoever of arguing honestly. You're just going to filibuster and continue to throw out completely irrelevant rhetorical red herrings, while ignoring the facts that have actually been presented.

    Gotcha. Glad we could get that cleared up.

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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Or he just didn't feel like walking around for 10 hours, and wanted to be honest about the amount of time that had elapsed

    You're making a lot of presumptions here, is my point. He never said that he thought men had it worse. As a matter of fact, there are actually noticeably fewer incidents on his tape than there were on the female version.

    Where the issue of harassment is concerned, that depends upon a couple of different things.

    How are you defining it, first off?

    Secondly, the company one keeps and the environment they are in play roles as well.

    People tend to be a bit more "polite" in general here in the South, so it tends to be something you don't see especially often (in my experience, anyway). I also tend to avoid seedy areas and seedy people.

    That might explain why I haven't seen all that many examples of it.
    Well, ok. I have my eye cocked a bit at this video nonetheless, if for no other reason than that it doesn't reflect how men usually are harassed either, along with the other weirdness.

    How am I defining it? A few things: pretty much all catcalls, anything obviously objectifying, like the person is walking around for your benefit. Anything sexual, obviously. Anything homophobic.

    I gotta completely disagree. The fact that you think that shows how small your sample size is, as someone who doesn't belong to a male risk group, and obviously isn't a woman either.

    Disagree about the South. I think the South rides the line between compliment and harassment a little closer than the North does. If you get that they're Southern and just pay attention to the context clues, you can learn how to adjust to that, because they just don't see the boundary as clearly and they usually aren't trying to harass you. But when they do harass you, it is far, far more extreme. The South is also where I saw both cases of hate speech harassment.

    Disagree about your little "she's asking for it" thing too. "Seediness" has nothing to do with it either. Like all predatory-type people, it has nothing to do with what you're doing, except insofar as they think you're afraid of them, which is what they enjoy. In reality, all the things you would think would reduce harassment seem to increase it. For example, dressing down? Increases harassment, in my consistent experience. Staying to the main street? More harassment, especially from cars.

    And why do I think that is? Because the kinds of guys who harass women are looking for someone who will be easily to beat down -- someone who already seems to be half-way there. Someone who looks like they're trying to avoid attention. That's their favorite target.

    My leg up on most women in the confidence department is why I think I get harassed less when alone than I do with other women of a similar age to myself. I was just ridiculously lucky in my upbringing, and that gives me an advantage in a lot of ways.

    It's not my female friends' "fault" that they weren't so lucky. Most women aren't.
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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    In other words, you have no intention whatsoever of arguing honestly.
    If there's any dishonesty in this thread, it's you posting a moronic youtube video about men to claim women are not victims.

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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I personally feel that neither men nor women truly get harassed sexually at a level that should be considered a major concern, not as a group. There might be some individuals who face excessive harassment, but my guess is that in most cases, there is something else there, such as how they look or how they act, and they know many of their harassers, at least in passing. I don't doubt that women are harassed more than men, mainly due to the fact that men are the more frequent harassers and most men are attracted to women.
    My sentiments exactly. At the end of the day, this really isn't anywhere near as big an issue as the ideological firebrands are making it out to be.

    The long and short of it is that some people are poorly behaved assholes. Frankly, they probably always will be.

    Ignore them and move on with your life.

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    Re: Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The long and short of it is that some people are poorly behaved assholes. Ignore them and move on with your life.
    Yeah, there's no sexism in the US. No racism against blacks either, right? Those things are just a scam invented to repress white straight men, right?

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