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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Exactly. The liberal defense of socialism and communism is that the Soviets weren't real socialists or communists; and the Chinese aren't real socialists or communists; and the Cubans aren't real socialists or communists; and the North Koreans aren't real socialists or communists; and the Nazis weren't real socialists.

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Can someone please explain to me the purpose of the embargo? I've never understood it given the other commie countries we trade with.
    I know. I'm way too young and so were my parents. My dad was 3 and my mother wasn't even born when this mess started. This seems so much like the embargo was a political stunt that served a partisan purpose at one time. How has it survived all this time? There must be something more than just, "They're communist and we don't won't their communist cooties."

    Any older folks in here remember what this embargo was all about?

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I know. I'm way too young and so were my parents. My dad was 3 and my mother wasn't even born when this mess started. This seems so much like the embargo was a political stunt that served a partisan purpose at one time. How has it survived all this time? There must be something more than just, "They're communist and we don't won't their communist cooties."

    Any older folks in here remember what this embargo was all about?
    I was only 3 but..

    The most tense period of the cold war. Cuban missile crisis. Wiki is good enough for a basic understanding.

    In response to the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of 1961, and the presence of American Jupiter ballistic missiles in Italy and Turkey against the USSR with Moscow within range, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev decided to agree to Cuba's request to place nuclear missiles in Cuba to deter future harassment of Cuba. An agreement was reached during a secret meeting between Khrushchev and Fidel Castro in July and construction on a number of missiles sites started later that summer.

    An election was underway in the U.S. and the White House had denied Republican charges that it was ignoring dangerous Soviet missiles 90 miles from Florida. These missile preparations were confirmed when an Air Force U-2 spy plane produced clear photographic evidence of medium-range and intermediate-range ballistic missile facilities. The United States established a military blockade to prevent further missiles from entering Cuba. It announced that they would not permit offensive weapons to be delivered to Cuba and demanded that the weapons already in Cuba be dismantled and returned to the USSR.

    After a period of tense negotiations an agreement was reached between Kennedy and Khrushchev. Publicly, the Soviets would dismantle their offensive weapons in Cuba and return them to the Soviet Union, subject to United Nations verification, in exchange for a US public declaration and agreement never to invade Cuba without direct provocation. Secretly, the US also agreed that it would dismantle all US-built Jupiter MRBMs, which were deployed in Turkey and Italy against the Soviet Union but were not known to the public.
    Cuban missile crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Exactly. The liberal defense of socialism and communism is that the Soviets weren't real socialists or communists; and the Chinese aren't real socialists or communists; and the Cubans aren't real socialists or communists; and the North Koreans aren't real socialists or communists; and the Nazis weren't real socialists.

    Will the real socialist please stand up so we can judge you?
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Earlier this year the fam and I took a cruise to Cozumel from Florida. The cab driver was a native of Cuba and as I tend to do, struck up a conversation to learn a little about his world. He urged me to visit Cuba, offering tips on getting there while avoiding US state department monitoring, assuring me the Cuban government cooperates with American visitors and will not stamp our passports, etc. Odd, because I thought Cuban immigrants were strong advocates for the embargo and this guy was very supportive of wanting me to break it, beaming about how great their tourism industry is and that although a dictatorship "is nothing like North Korea." In case you're wondering, I'm not going to break US law and go there but it was interesting to hear his sales pitch.

    On the cruise, we got really close to Cuba. The captain got on the PA system and encouraged us to enjoy the view the island's northern coast.

    Recently the UN passed its 23rd resolution urging the US to end the embargo.

    Should JFK's embargo on Cuba be ended? Is a dictatorship 90 miles from the US unacceptable and therefore the embargo should be continued? If you think it should be, do you think the labeling of the Predident as "a Marxist" by some in his opposition has created too much of a political liability for the president to end it? Should we base our Cuban policy on the will of Cuban immigrants and their offspring in America as they are most affected? International politics aside, do you think lifting the embargo would adversely affect the US economy? Should we consider tourism dollars in Florida, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands being lost to Cuba? Should we consider more manufacturing jobs leaving America and relocating to Cuba and American agriculture suffering due to new citrus, potato, poultry, cattle and other imports especially in the present economy? Would lifting the Cuban embargo encourage and make easier more immigration from a Latin American country and if so is that a problem? Do embargoes hurt the wrong people; the innocent people living under an oppressive government while the power-holders continue live a life of luxury regardless? Anyhow, those are my thoughts. I'm undecided but curious about how others felt.

    For 23rd time, U.N. nations urge end to U.S. embargo on Cuba | Reuters
    I see no point in continuing it. It really hasn't accomplished anything. When the cold war ended in my opinion, that would have been an ideal time. I understood having it until then especially when Cuba was sending troops to Africa to either support a Marxist Dictator or to overthrow a government. Even in Central America.

    If we can make nice with Vietnam who we had a hot war with, Vietnam is fast becoming a close ally of ours. We should be able to let the embargo drop.
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Why the Cuban Embargo is necessary?

    You don’t need to look further; here you have the answer from the “horse” mouth:

    “It is necessary to impose financial, economic and material restrictions to dictatorships, so that they will not take roots for long years….Diplomatic and morals measures do not work against dictatorships, because these make fun of the Governments and the population”. Fidel Castro (Excerpt from the book “Fidel Castro and Human Rights”, Editora Política, Havana, Cuba, 1988).

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    I'm surprised no one has brought up the main reason we still have an embargo.

    Cubans in Florida.

    They are vehement that the embargo stays until the regime changes to one that will recompense them for their losses.

    Florida is a politically critical state (remember 2000?) and Cubans hold significant political power and votes in Florida. They also control a huge PAC.

    No President wants to risk pissing them off.

    The embargo is generally regarded as ridiculous by most people, as evidenced by the support on this board and clueless opposition.
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I'm surprised no one has brought up the main reason we still have an embargo.

    Cubans in Florida.
    Nonsense. If the US embargoed every nation a tiny minority of the population wanted sanctioned, the world would be embargoed.

    Cuba remains embargoed because it continues to be ruled by a brutal totalitarian dictatorship that has, in the past, acted against the US in ways that threatened nuclear war.

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I'm surprised no one has brought up the main reason we still have an embargo.

    Cubans in Florida.

    They are vehement that the embargo stays until the regime changes to one that will recompense them for their losses.

    Florida is a politically critical state (remember 2000?) and Cubans hold significant political power and votes in Florida. They also control a huge PAC.

    No President wants to risk pissing them off.

    The embargo is generally regarded as ridiculous by most people, as evidenced by the support on this board and clueless opposition.
    see post 33

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nonsense. If the US embargoed every nation a tiny minority of the population wanted sanctioned, the world would be embargoed.

    Cuba remains embargoed because it continues to be ruled by a brutal totalitarian dictatorship that has, in the past, acted against the US in ways that threatened nuclear war.

    And has no oil

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