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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    All communism needs is capitalisms money to sustain itself. We saw this in the USSR, we see it now in China. Adopt capitalist principles and keep the same marxist fail and they are GTG for decades.
    Neither the USSR, China or Cuba are communistic nations. They are totalitarian states. There are no communist nations on this planet. There are a couple that claim to be, but in reality are nothing more than forms of dictatorships.
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    China is not little "c" communist. They are big "C" Communist in respect they are dominated by a Communist Party which upholds corporatist-capitalist principles.
    True enough. They tried socialism and the result was tens of millions starved to death. They're smarter than to go back to that.
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats a rosy assessment. Why dont we see that in China? Because China adapted, to keep its communism by funding it with capitalism.

    Frankly, they probably only held on this long (if you can call it that) because of foreign money coming in from other nations who dont have an embargo.

    And they were again just recently busted trading arms with N. Korea. They are telling us they dont want to play by the rules, so let em rot.
    Cuba is small, right off our coast, and would be subject to heavy US influence. It is hard to argue that the embargo has had any influence on communism in Cuba since it is still going strong after 60 years. Lift the embargo and open Cuba to the free flow of goods, people and ideas and communism cannot survive.

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    True enough. They tried socialism and the result was tens of millions starved to death. They're smarter than to go back to that.
    More like they tried intense Stalinist collectivism.


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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    More like they tried intense Stalinist collectivism.
    public ownership of the means of production without an individual profit motive to spur production. Whatever spin-off you desperately want to try to put it under. They tried socialism and it succeeded there about as well as it did in Russia and North Korea.
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Neither the USSR, China or Cuba are communistic nations. They are totalitarian states. There are no communist nations on this planet. There are a couple that claim to be, but in reality are nothing more than forms of dictatorships.
    THEY think they are commies, and as marxist so often does-it ends in fail, usually with millions killed. Over 100 million last century in fact.

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Cuba is small, right off our coast, and would be subject to heavy US influence. It is hard to argue that the embargo has had any influence on communism in Cuba since it is still going strong after 60 years. Lift the embargo and open Cuba to the free flow of goods, people and ideas and communism cannot survive.
    How about we let Fidel and his bro die off and if the people decide they want better we try to help?

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    More like they tried intense Stalinist collectivism.
    They tried socialism as it is practices in real life, not some definition out of a dictionary. It might be dreamy to think if only the right people were in charge it would be different. That's not how it works.
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    I've never understood the USA's attitude to Cuba. A tiny nation.
    Despite the embargo their achievements outstrip many western democracies.
    CIA factsheet makes some interesting reading.
    Their expenditure on education is double that of the USA or Australia. Literacy 98%. youth unemployment 3.1%
    I wonder what Cuba would look like now to ordinary Cubans if not for Castro? Just sayin'


    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...ntrypdf_cu.pdf
    Last edited by Selkie; 11-01-14 at 08:25 AM.

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They tried socialism as it is practices in real life, not some definition out of a dictionary. It might be dreamy to think if only the right people were in charge it would be different. That's not how it works.
    Exactly. The liberal defense of socialism and communism is that the Soviets weren't real socialists or communists; and the Chinese aren't real socialists or communists; and the Cubans aren't real socialists or communists; and the North Koreans aren't real socialists or communists; and the Nazis weren't real socialists.

    Will the real socialist please stand up so we can judge you?

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