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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    But its okay to trade with other dictatorships like Saudi Arabia?
    If by "okay" you mean beneficial to American interests (diplomacy) yes. That said, I dont like SA much either. But they ARE an ally.

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    If by "okay" you mean beneficial to American interests (diplomacy) yes.
    Shouldn't it be up to the private business to decide whether it would be beneficial to trade with someone? Why are you so anti-free market?


    That said, I dont like SA much either. But they ARE an ally.
    Why is it acceptable to trade with monarchical dictators but not communist dictators?
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Shouldn't it be up to the private business to decide whether it would be beneficial to trade with someone? Why are you so anti-free market?




    Why is it acceptable to trade with monarchical dictators but not communist dictators?
    Our interest do not consist solely of commerce. International security, regional influence, and partnerships matter as well, amongst other things. We already have an extremely regulated financial and business sector-we dont have a free market-so your straw man is well, straw.

    Cuban commies decided to allow nukes into our backyard. They bet on the wrong side and lost. Now, they will still eventually fail as a state (as commie nations do) but in the mean time let them deal with the consequences of their diplomacy.

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Our interest do not consist solely of commerce. International security, regional influence, and partnerships matter as well, amongst other things.
    I think history has shown has that the surest defense is through strong trade relationships. There is absolutely no reason, in the 21st century, that we should refuse to trade with Cuba over "security reasons." At this point it is just a childish grudge.

    We already have an extremely regulated financial and business sector-we dont have a free market-so your straw man is well, straw.
    Ah, so since we don't have a free market by definition that makes it okay to restrict trade even more?


    Cuban commies decided to allow nukes into our backyard. They bet on the wrong side and lost. Now, they will still eventually fail as a state (as commie nations do) but in the mean time let them deal with the consequences of their diplomacy.
    The Cold War was decades ago. Get over it. What form of government we choose is none of their business and what form of government they choose is none of our business.
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I think history has shown has that the surest defense is through strong trade relationships. There is absolutely no reason, in the 21st century, that we should refuse to trade with Cuba over "security reasons." At this point it is just a childish grudge.



    Ah, so since we don't have a free market by definition that makes it okay to restrict trade even more?




    The Cold War was decades ago. Get over it. What form of government we choose is none of their business and what form of government they choose is none of our business.
    Let Cubans fight for a better Cuba. When they do we will be the first to extend a hand. I'd personally love to visit, but not now.

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Nooooooooo!
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Let Cubans fight for a better Cuba.
    Empty rhetoric (and don't think I didn't notice you dodging my questions). You really think Cubans are fighting to worsen Cuba? Give me a break. We are all humans with faults. No system is perfect and some systems are worse than others. That does not give you or the rest of the statists the right to dictate who average Americans peacefully trade with.
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Empty rhetoric (and don't think I didn't notice you dodging my questions). You really think Cubans are fighting to worsen Cuba? Give me a break. We are all humans with faults. No system is perfect and some systems are worse than others. That does not give you or the rest of the statists the right to dictate who average Americans peacefully trade with.
    Lamenting empty rhetoric when discussing Cuba. Think of the irony.

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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Lamenting empty rhetoric when discussing Cuba. Think of the irony.
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    I can see this discussion isn't going to be as productive as I was hoping so I'm just going to move on.
    Last edited by Geoist; 11-13-14 at 12:13 PM.
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    Re: Should the US end its embargo against Cuba?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Our interest do not consist solely of commerce. International security, regional influence, and partnerships matter as well, amongst other things. We already have an extremely regulated financial and business sector-we dont have a free market-so your straw man is well, straw.

    Cuban commies decided to allow nukes into our backyard. They bet on the wrong side and lost. Now, they will still eventually fail as a state (as commie nations do) but in the mean time let them deal with the consequences of their diplomacy.
    I'm really just interested in seeing how much longer those 1949/1950 Chevys and Fords will keep running...
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