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How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

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tres borrachos said:
The specific purpose of the video was to get her acting jobs.
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BS.

"The video is a collaboration between Hollaback, an anti-street harassment organization, and the marketing agency Rob Bliss Creative. "
 
CLAX1911 said:
I am not playing your game.

To say that nobody has it worse than the black man is absurd.

The reason why the black man has such a hard time isn't because of anybody else but them. They are told by everybody that their problems are caused by white people. And they can't make it so just give up. It's black people that do this. I know you are going to call me a Nazi and a klansman and everything else because of my statement, but that is just because you know it's true.

How many black men were raised by single mothers? How many black men admired some two bit thug that sings nursery rhymes to them about bitches and hoes? How many of them were raised to feel they were inferior, not by white people but by their black parent?

It's easy to say you have it harder than anybody else ifyou can blame somebody for your predicament.

Man up.
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I never said anything about "the black man" or "black men". I said "men of color" which includes a hell of a lot more than black men. The rest of your post is a super weird tangent. In other words, you doubled down on being reactionary. You failed the test. If you ever calm down and get around to reading what I actually wrote, let me know in a calmer manner please.
 
CLAX1911 said:
We aren't talking about murder. That is wrong. Saying "hey baby" doesn't lead to murder.
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Oops at the point flying way above your head.

I posted that story in order to show you that there is precedence for catcalling leading to dangerous situations. The woman in the story was catcalled and then murdered for not responding the way the "catcaller" wanted her to. That's exactly situation some women fear when they hear "hey baby" because it's happened before like it did to that woman.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I never said anything about "the black man" or "black men". I said "men of color" which includes a hell of a lot more than black men. The rest of your post is a super weird tangent. In other words, you doubled down on being reactionary. You failed the test. If you ever calm down and get around to reading what I actually wrote, let me know in a calmer manner please.
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What is a man of color?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Oops at the point flying way above your head.

I posted that story in order to show you that there is precedence for catcalling leading to dangerous situations. The woman in the story was catcalled and then murdered for not responding the way the "catcaller" wanted her to. That's exactly situation some women fear when they hear "hey baby" because it's happened before like it did to that woman.
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It was an isolated incident.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Oh Lord, death threats. I can't even think for all the death threats.

I easily get 4-10 death threats a day. Threats come from people who are trying to scare you.
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I don't care and I'm not sure why you think that's relevant to this discussion
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I know. That doesn't make it any less scary.
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The fact that it is extremely uncommon does that. People being afraid of an extremely rare occurance while many of us do the most deadly thing known to American people with such disregard for the dangers is absurd.

That is kind of like being afraid of getting poisoned Halloween candy.
 
sangha said:
I don't care and I'm not sure why you think that's relevant to this discussion
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You thought it was relevant and you apparently cared enough to post that this clown was getting death threats.

I don't see why you post something you don't care about.
 
CLAX1911 said:
The fact that it is extremely uncommon does that. People being afraid of an extremely rare occurance while many of us do the most deadly thing known to American people with such disregard for the dangers is absurd.

That is kind of like being afraid of getting poisoned Halloween candy.
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Fear is not an emotion that is based on calculating odds. It is generally an instinctual response to external stimuli. When you are an average woman and the stimuli are larger men (whose motives you do not know) making comments about your body in a world where sexual assault is quite common, then it is understandable that you might be afraid. I simply do not understand why you are minimizing their fears.
 
CLAX1911 said:
So, it's racism. You were just posturing when you said it wasn't.

So since the only people that have it hard in America are non whites, explain to me how easy my life is.
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I did not say "the only people that have it hard in America are non whites". You put those words in my mouth. And, to top that, you still haven't demonstrated how what I posted is racism. You're just repeating your reactionary conclusion like a lost parrot. In sum, you have failed the test three times and I even gave you reading material. Shame.
 
CLAX1911 said:
You thought it was relevant and you apparently cared enough to post that this clown was getting death threats.

I don't see why you post something you don't care about.
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Since the discussion is about the video, what happened to the people who appear in the video is relevant.

Your life, not so much
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Fear is not an emotion that is based on calculating odds. It is generally an instinctual response to external stimuli.
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No fear is an emotional mechanism that warns us of danger. However there is something known as fear mongering. This is the usage of fear to correct a behavior that is undesirable. Mostly it works by using an isolated incident that occurs in every day life but for some reason or another became deadly.

It really isn't against the law to be an asshole. That law shouldn't change.

Funny, this reminds me of a quote-

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
Robert A. Heinlein

When you are an average woman and the stimuli are larger men (whose motives you do not know) making comments about your body in a world where sexual assault is quite common, then it is understandable that you might be afraid. I simply do not understand why you are minimizing their fears.[/QUOTE]
 
CLAX1911 said:
No fear is an emotional mechanism that warns us of danger. However there is something known as fear mongering. This is the usage of fear to correct a behavior that is undesirable. Mostly it works by using an isolated incident that occurs in every day life but for some reason or another became deadly.

It really isn't against the law to be an asshole. That law shouldn't change.

Funny, this reminds me of a quote-

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
Robert A. Heinlein

When you are an average woman and the stimuli are larger men (whose motives you do not know) making comments about your body in a world where sexual assault is quite common, then it is understandable that you might be afraid. I simply do not understand why you are minimizing their fears.
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Earlier in the thread, tb asked why the woman in the video didn't go to the police. I think tb should thank you for providing the answer.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I did not say "the only people that have it hard in America are non whites". You put those words in my mouth.
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Yes You did. And you put those words in your mouth.

And, to top that, you still haven't demonstrated how what I posted is racism.
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You think the only people That have it hard are "people of color". You based that comment solely on race. Clearly it's racism.

You're just repeating your reactionary conclusion like a lost parrot.
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You are simply attempting to dismiss somebody that holds you to your words.

In sum, you have failed the test three times and I even gave you reading material. Shame.
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The test on how to be a good little follower and never question the status quo?

Good, I am glad I failed, it means I am an independent thinker and not easily swayed by charlatans.

Yay me!

Any more tests this it's fun?
 
sangha said:
Earlier in the thread, tb asked why the woman in the video didn't go to the police. I think tb should thank you for providing the answer.
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I don't think people should go to the police for protection from people saying, " hey baby." That isn't our job. We enforce laws.

If somebody is saying words to you... Talk to your kindergarten teacher, or better yet keep these words in mind, "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

If they are death threats, that is a crime, and we have the ability to do something about that. If they are just saying " hey baby" well, they have that right. The first amendment grants them that. We can't really do anything.

Now the fellows following her, that is behavior that it's suspicious.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yes You did.
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You have accused me - twice now - of saying "the only people that have it hard in America are non whites". Post it. (I didn't read the rest of your post because I don't read past lies.)
 
ThePlayDrive said:
You have accused me - twice now - of saying "the only people that have it hard in America are non whites". Post it. (I didn't read the rest of your post because I don't read past lies.)
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Post 251.

ThePlayDrive said:
The only men that American culture is "hard on" on men of color.
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Are white people men of color? If not, the usage of the word "only" specifically excludes them.

Funny, how you accuse me of lying. :roll:
 
Visbek said:
I have, in many cities. In fact, I've seen much worse. Many female friends of mine have been harassed like this, often with much stronger language.

And of course... the video is an example of this type of behavior. Don't you feel a bit more educated now? ;)

Or, it's a problem that is common in many areas, notably dense environments (where women happen to walk past more men in an hour), and is not limited to specific cultures.

I'm sorry, but this is a silly argument. It's not like they sent you a DVD in the mail with your name on it. You came across the video. If you sympathize with women who are frequently put in this kind of situation, you have the option to do something about it.

To be clear, I am not marketing anything. I have no affiliation whatsoever with Hollaback, just pointing you to their website.

The organization also wasn't targeting upper and middle class audiences. There is nothing in their materials which makes any such suggestion, and they repeatedly state that this problem is not limited by location, race, ethnicity, culture. It also doesn't depend on how the woman is dressed, whether she reacts or ignores them. All they did was put the video out there, the media picked it up, and as a result they've gotten millions of views, far beyond what they expected.
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First off, for someone to even be made aware of this video in the first place, a few rather specific variables have to fall into place. Spreading the video's message essentially pre-supposes that it's audience have an inclination to surf the kinds of sites that would circulate the material in question (or be acquainted with a social circle that would), or have access to the internet at all to begin with. All of those factors serve to skew the audience it is capable of influencing rather heavily towards the Middle and Upper classes.

To be honest, I would be rather surprised if this garners much any attention whatsoever outside of the usual "echo-chambers" of media punditry, or the social media pages of Left-leaning college students and political firebrands prone to surf partisan websites.

The simple fact of the matter, as I noted before, is that none of those groups were ever really "the problem" here to begin with. As such, this whole endeavor can ultimately be seen to constitute little more than a lot of "sound and fury signifying nothing."

Secondly, as I've asked you earlier, but you declined to reply, what do you expect ME, personally, to do about this "problem?" What course of action are you suggesting that I, or any other conscientious man, take?

I can whole-heartedly agree with you that men who harass women are classless reprobates until Hell freezes over. For that matter, I absolutely do. I would never dream of doing such a thing.

However, it won't change a damn thing, as I was never "part of the problem" here to begin with. :shrug:

Ah, I see. So women are pregnant all the time, and want to clean stuff, and this inherently restricts their career preferences. Got it. :lamo

How does the nesting instinct, which only really kicks in well into pregnancy, preclude women from working as police officers, or doctors, or scientists, or computer programmers?
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Women are, almost as a general rule, far more interested in "domestic pursuits" than most men would ever dream of being. This really cannot be said be strictly "cultural" either, as it is a phenomena which can be observed to exist almost universally, across regional, cultural, and ethnic boundaries.

Given that we already know that women possess "nesting instincts" in more extreme forms when their hormones are in full kick, does it not also stand to reason that they very likely have similar instincts at play the rest of the time as well?

Does it really seem likely to you that every culture on Earth simply happened to stumble upon the same idea, completely by coincidence, without any natural inclinations being involved whatsoever?

Yea... Get real. :roll:

Do the number of women exceed the number of men in jobs like dental hygienists, speech therapy pathologists, paralegals, teachers, physical therapists, and doctor's assistants because of a nesting instinct, that only really kicks in well into pregnancy?
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Did I say that women could not do those jobs? No.

Did I say that women should not do those jobs? Again, no.

What I said was that, on an innate level, women and men tend to have different aptitudes. This very often serves to shape what hobbies, professions, and socio-cultural trappings happen to catch their interests.

Frankly, this isn't really even up for debate. It's not an "opinion." It is objectively true, on the basis of raw statistics if nothing else.

Men flock to some fields, and avoid others. The same is true of women.

Other than your ideological insistence that men and women MUST be the same in all things (regardless of whether they even want to be in the first place or not, apparently :roll: ), why is this a problem?

Is there any particular reason we need a female Rambo, or a male Martha Steward, other than irrational political interest?
 
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