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How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????


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You sure covered a lot of territory that you seem to consider to be "harassment". Just because a guy looks your way doesn't mean he's fantasizing about ****ing you.

I don't consider staring to be harassment. Rude, but not harassment. I do consider being grabbed, followed, and having obscene things said to me to be harassment, absolutely.
 
Who is blaming you for anything? I said that if I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively. Maybe you just live around a different caliber of men than I am accustomed to, or maybe manners are better where I live, but around here, the way a woman dresses, and the way she projects her image, make a huge difference. And yeah, I'm older than you, and yeah, I still get looks. Fortunately, I am not insulted by it, nor am I intimidated.

I love it when men look at me with some appreciation. Hell, my husband even appreciates it when men look at me. You & I are about the same age. And the more provocative I dress (so to speak, but you & I both know even at our age, you can dress in a way that commands attention), the more looks I get. I get called a MILF and guess what? I am good with that! Because in 30 years I'll be wearing adult diapers and drooling in my wrinkles, and nobody will want to look at me then.

Who the hell cares if someone looks at you? It's not like he's peeking in your bathroom windows or dropping a mirror under your skirt. When did it all change that it's somehow a bad thing when a man appreciates your appearance?
 
Who is blaming you for anything? I said that if I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively. Maybe you just live around a different caliber of men than I am accustomed to, or maybe manners are better where I live, but around here, the way a woman dresses, and the way she projects her image, make a huge difference. And yeah, I'm older than you, and yeah, I still get looks. Fortunately, I am not insulted by it, nor am I intimidated.

You are focusing on what you think a woman should do to avoid harassment, instead of how men shouldn't do it to begin with. Yeah, I get more looks and compliments when I'm dressed up or wearing more revealing clothes, but I honestly haven't seen that make a difference in the amount of harassment directed at me. Most of the times I can think of when something really offensive happened, I didn't even look good. I had my hair in a ponytail, no makeup on, and nothing that accentuated my figure. I think that is about something different, honestly. It's not that these men think I'm going to go have sex with them because they shout something at me. It's like a game to them, like they want to toy with me because they think it's fun and they can see I'm alone and really have no way to stop them. It probably makes them feel powerful over me.
 
Who is blaming you for anything? I said that if I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively. Maybe you just live around a different caliber of men than I am accustomed to, or maybe manners are better where I live, but around here, the way a woman dresses, and the way she projects her image, make a huge difference. And yeah, I'm older than you, and yeah, I still get looks. Fortunately, I am not insulted by it, nor am I intimidated.

You DID get where she's harassed when wearing a winter coat?

I'm thinking you are taking your situation and assuming it is the same for everyone, even though the videos and comments in here clearly show it isn't the same for everyone.
 
You sure covered a lot of territory that you seem to consider to be "harassment". Just because a guy looks your way doesn't mean he's fantasizing about ****ing you.
You know Lutherf, there really seems to be a connection between women having an unhealthy thought pattern of distrusting men even hating them to the point they see some male looking at them, complementing them as somehow harassment and young girls who were raised in father-less homes or experienced abandonment from a father. Hmmmmm.
 
You know Lutherf, there really seems to be a connection between women having an unhealthy thought pattern of distrusting men even hating them to the point they see some male looking at them, complementing them as somehow harassment and young girls who were raised in father-less homes or experienced abandonment from a father. Hmmmmm.

I don't know about fatherless families but if I'm "checking you out" I sure don't see where that's harassment. Same goes for saying hello or commenting that you look good. I've always kind of just figured that was part of being friendly and polite.
 
Coming from a rural area, I have to realize city folk think that talking to another human being in public is eccentric or off-putting. Some of the instances were what we do on a regular basis to men and women. Hello, how are you, have a good day, let me get that for you, are a regular feature in small town atmospheres. If I acted like a sincerely friendly person in a city, I know it would be received negatively. Their loss, as far as I am concerned.

Most of the instances were demonstrating poor manners and do not come off in any way as charming. Much of it was offensive or nerve-wracking as hell. In particular, the gentleman that followed her for some five minutes was pretty worrying. I could easily see how it would be uncomfortable to be a woman in a public place.

I have perhaps, at most, experienced some hooting and hollering once in a public place. I'm a guy, so it wasn't until someone pointed out what had happened that I understood what had gone on. Of course I wasn't offended and was flattered, but it was both so rare and non-threatening that I could afford to be flattered. Guys just don't have to deal with the issue and even if it does happen, we probably will react differently as a result.
 
It's not about racist statements....
You certainly implied that Hollaback had some sort of racist agenda. You're welcome to step back from that, if you like.


See the video below, it's a little more objective when dealing with street harassment.
Uh, hello? Ms Williams' video is pretty much saying the same thing as the Hollaback video. Which is why I included that link in post # 147. http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/208194-much-truly-harassment-15.html#post1063926458

:mrgreen:
 
So, when the excessive politically correct inevitably land on this, make it a campaign issue, the resulting legislation is that women will / should receive no attention from men under fear of criminal prosecution.

This end result is better how exactly? Cutting off a possible start of discourse, possibly leading to mutually consenting conversation.

If a woman want's to be ignored, there's ways to dress and behave for that.

Feminist have been doing this for 50+ years. The fact there's a so-called 'war on women' now is gravy for their cause.
 
Sorry, but only an idiot or someone with an ax to grind would think this video is trying to imply all men are jerks.

Has somebody stated that this video is implying that ALL men are jerks?

Of COURSE most men don't do that. But the point is enough do to make for a crappy, stressful, or even frightening experience.

...around 40% of domestic violence is committed by women.
 
Coming from a rural area, I have to realize city folk think that talking to another human being in public is eccentric or off-putting. Some of the instances were what we do on a regular basis to men and women. Hello, how are you, have a good day, let me get that for you, are a regular feature in small town atmospheres. If I acted like a sincerely friendly person in a city, I know it would be received negatively. Their loss, as far as I am concerned.

Most of the instances were demonstrating poor manners and do not come off in any way as charming. Much of it was offensive or nerve-wracking as hell. In particular, the gentleman that followed her for some five minutes was pretty worrying. I could easily see how it would be uncomfortable to be a woman in a public place.

I have perhaps, at most, experienced some hooting and hollering once in a public place. I'm a guy, so it wasn't until someone pointed out what had happened that I understood what had gone on. Of course I wasn't offended and was flattered, but it was both so rare and non-threatening that I could afford to be flattered. Guys just don't have to deal with the issue and even if it does happen, we probably will react differently as a result.

You have obviously not had dozens of women chase you down the street whooping about how they want to ravage you... well I have. It is frightening.
 
Men are pretty friggin weak animals if all it takes to make them look stupid is to have a female walk down the street don't ya think?

Biased video? How about just a video? Why is it biased? There's purpose to it, but there was no entrapment or trick.

There's an overwhelming indirect, and in some cases direct, feeling here that most people are more angry with the young lady than there are with the men.

Which of course just continues to justify the cycle of behavior the video is trying to show.

How many times do you think that a man excused himself in a crowd and let her walk first, do you think?

How many would have held open a door for her during ten hours of walking into stores?

I bet a video like that would show how great men's manners are, but that was not the goal of the video.
 
So let me get this straight.

The video in question is feminist propaganda, so it's not real. But Texans are better than New Yorkers, because they allegedly don't harass women on the street. But it's still wrong for women to complain about getting harassed on the street, even though the men who do so lack manners.

Riiiight.

I never said it was OK to harass anyone on the streets nor that complaining about it was wrong... just that men with proper upbringing tend to avoid such drivel.

What I did say is that it is feminazi propaganda.
 
OMFG. They lost me when I saw Sandra Fluke is on their Board.

No surprise they were behind this.

They're losing the War on Women narrative, they had to try something to bring back the collective anger.
 
The ones that confound me are the women that dress provocatively or to get attention and when they attract a guys attention they act holier than thou and act offended.

Sometimes the fine line between sexual harassment and the admiring glance of a possible suitor is whether or not the woman finds the man attractive.
 
Coming from a rural area, I have to realize city folk think that talking to another human being in public is eccentric or off-putting.
Not really, but it's a different thing in different cities.

If you're in a small town where everyone says hello to everyone else, or in a small enclave in a big city (like Breezy Point), then a man saying "hello" to a woman is just one person saying "hello" to another person.

That's not what is happening in these instances. I can easily walk past 500 people on my way to work in the morning, and that's just a few blocks. If I said hello to every person in the morning, I'd never make it to work.

As you noted: These guys are not saying hello to a neighbor, they're hitting on a random female, at any time of day or night. What is polite and normal in Smallville is a sexual advance in The Big City.
 
The fact that our society has jerks to harass women on the street in the not the problem. That people make excuses for their behavior and blame the victim is. This thread itself is a perfect example of the problem. There are more posts attacking the women in the video than the catcalling assholes.
 
The fact that our society has jerks to harass women on the street in the not the problem. That people make excuses for their behavior and blame the victim is. This thread itself is a perfect example of the problem. There are more posts attacking the women in the video than the catcalling assholes.

I think that those "attacking the women" are more concerned with her agenda...
 
They need to grow some thicker skin. Maybe understand that it is a compliment. When I was overseas, if you complimented a woman on how she looked, you usually got a smile and probably a giggle as they kept on walking. They are not stupid, they know guys are looking at them and they just accept that as a natural thing and they appreaciate the compliments. Im not going to say that anything goes. There certainly is a line between a tasteful compliment and a sexual compliment. If that's the worst they got from 10 hours of walking thru the streets of a big city, then I don't see the issue. I would be interested to see all the other comments they did not include in the video.

This girl surely isn't a Southern Girl. She acted like she was from New York.
 
For what is in the video most of it is not harassment but there are a few guys who are harassing her.

Also maybe its just me, but I really question the validity of most of these types of videos. Ive lived in a few major cities. And yes some guys make comments to a woman walking by. However Ive never seen anyone harassed by almost every guy she walks by. I think there was something else that we arent seeing.

It was a 2 minute video over the course of 10 hours of walking the streets. That means that she was un harassed for 9 hours and 58 minutes. How long do people usually walk in New York City?

Let's assume the average woman walks for 1 hour per day. Utilizing math that woman is likely to be forced to endure 12 seconds of harassment each day.
 
I think that those "attacking the women" are more concerned with her agenda...

What exactly is her agenda and how its worse than the agenda of the catcalling losers you are defending?
 
It was a 2 minute video over the course of 10 hours of walking the streets. That means that she was un harassed for 9 hours and 58 minutes. How long do people usually walk in New York City?

Let's assume the average woman walks for 1 hour per day. Utilizing math that woman is likely to be forced to endure 12 seconds of harassment each day.

No, it means that roughly every two weeks a women will have to seriously worry about her safety by some stalker following her around. That is not acceptable by any stretch, even more so because so many others condone it.
 
What exactly is her agenda and how its worse than the agenda of the catcalling losers you are defending?

I stated clearly that some of those guys were losers and one specifically was creepy... but you can whine in your emotional quandary if you like about whatever you like.
 
I stated clearly that some of those guys were losers and one specifically was creepy... but you can whine in your emotional quandary if you like about whatever you like.

Her agenda was to document the harassment women face on the streets of new york. What exactly about that is worth attacking her over?
 
Her agenda was to document the harassment women face on the streets of new york. What exactly about that is worth attacking her over?

I am not attacking her...
 
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