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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    That video was over a span of an entire day.

    You're a man, so I'm sure you don't see it.

    It is possible they stuck to a few specific areas of NYC where they knew they'd get certain reactions.

    A few of those guys in the video were truly creepy.
    I dont see what my sex has to do with anything. I have eyes and ears. I crazy to believe i know, but I am related to and even have female friends. The You're a man argument is dumb.

    And yes, some of those guys were creepy as hell. And they could have targeted certain areas to provoke a higher than normal amount of harassment. But my point is there are plenty of youtube/private videos that are designed to withhold information or mislead to prove a point. I don't know what they did or didn't do, or how much of this was legitimate and how much was staged or coerced. But i do question the validity of any of these types of videos.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    None of this was harassment.
    Rude, disrespectful and even creepy in some instances? Yes!
    But it was not harassment at this point
    For it to have been harassment it has to fit specific criteria, which it clearly does not.


    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    There is no single answer to this question because harassment has subjective parameters.
    That really isn't the case.
    While you seem to be looking at only how the person feels about what is directed towards them (the only subjective portion), it still has to fit within defined criteria (parameters) to be harassment.
    So while a person might not like being nicely told they are beautiful, it must meet specific parameters to be considered harassment. Whether that be legally, or just in general.

    While the detailed definitions are always best, you can find abbreviated definitions who's word usage reflects that of the more detailed definitions.
    Harassment has specific parameters in that it must be persistent, systematic and/or continued, as well as unwanted.
    A single incident (unless involving a crime), does not count as harassment.
    And someone thinking they have been harassed doesn't mean they have been.

    ha·rass (h-rs, hrs)
    tr.v. ha·rassed, ha·rass·ing, ha·rass·es

    1. To irritate or torment persistently.

    harassment - definition of harassment by The Free Dictionary


    ha·rass
    verb \hə-ˈras; ˈher-əs, ˈha-rəs\

    : to annoy or bother (someone) in a constant or repeated way

    Harass - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary



    harassment
    (either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n.
    the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll go to bed with me"). The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker.

    harassment legal definition of harassment



    Had these guys done this to her every time she passed by them and she made it clear it was unwanted, then it would be harassment, even if they were giving her an actual compliment.





    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    A good bit of that video looked like harassment to me, granted some was more mild than others. Still though, a sad statement if that is what a female has to experience just walking about New York. Perhaps it was how I was raised but nothing in that video is something I would do to a woman just walking by.
    Neither would I.
    The problem is that what is seen could be harassment, it just isn't under these circumstances.
    It wasn't persistent, it wasn't continuous and she didn't even make it known it was unwanted.
    It was a one time incident from each of the individuals.
    It can't even be said that any of the guys intended their behavior to be harassment or intimidation.

    So here is the thing. If she lets them know their behavior is unwanted, even if it was just nice words, and they again do the same thing, they then have engaged in harassment.
    As it is though, no.




    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Most of the instances shown definitely count.
    None of them do.

    See above replies.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Tonality and body language can convey a lot of meaning which can be difficult to see here. I'm sure that a lot of the 'good mornin' comments come across as a lot more threatening when the speaker is leering at you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Actually it is asking. Women use this excuse all the time. That just because they are dressed a certain way does not mean they are asking for attention. Well, I disagree, they are asking for attention. They just want to pick and choose who that attention comes from. If you approach a woman dressed to get attention and she likes you, then that is what she wants. But if she does not like you, then she will use the above line that she is not asking for attention.
    I disagree that you can figure out what a women 'wants' from how they're dressed. Particularly when they're wearing such a bland outfit???
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    None of this was harassment.
    Rude, disrespectful and even creepy in some instances? Yes!
    But it was not harassment at this point
    For it to have been harassment it has to fit specific criteria, which it clearly does not.


    That really isn't the case.
    While you seem to be looking at only how the person feels about what is directed towards them (the only subjective portion), it still has to fit within defined criteria (parameters) to be harassment.
    So while a person might not like being nicely told they are beautiful, it must meet specific parameters to be considered harassment. Whether that be legally, or just in general.

    While the detailed definitions are always best, you can find abbreviated definitions who's word usage reflects that of the more detailed definitions.
    Harassment has specific parameters in that it must be persistent, systematic and/or continued, as well as unwanted.
    A single incident (unless involving a crime), does not count as harassment.
    And someone thinking they have been harassed doesn't mean they have been.

    ha·rass (h-rs, hrs)
    tr.v. ha·rassed, ha·rass·ing, ha·rass·es

    1. To irritate or torment persistently.

    harassment - definition of harassment by The Free Dictionary


    ha·rass
    verb \hə-ˈras; ˈher-əs, ˈha-rəs\

    : to annoy or bother (someone) in a constant or repeated way

    Harass - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary



    harassment
    (either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n.
    the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll go to bed with me"). The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker.

    harassment legal definition of harassment



    Had these guys done this to her every time she passed by them and she made it clear it was unwanted, then it would be harassment, even if they were giving her an actual compliment.





    Neither would I.
    The problem is that what is seen could be harassment, it just isn't under these circumstances.
    It wasn't persistent, it wasn't continuous and she didn't even make it known it was unwanted.
    It was a one time incident from each of the individuals.
    It can't even be said that any of the guys intended their behavior to be harassment or intimidation.

    So here is the thing. If she lets them know their behavior is unwanted, even if it was just nice words, and they again do the same thing, they then have engaged in harassment.
    As it is though, no.





    None of them do.

    See above replies.
    Feminists want the approach of any female by a male to be harassment. All one has to do is just look at what kind of laws they are pushing and what they say. Feminists want women to basically not talk to or deal with men at all. Some feminists actually want to kill all men or limit them to 10% of the population. Just enough to keep the species going. Im not kidding, just google feminazi quotes and you will see what their agenda is right away. Equal rights was dealt with, not they have moved on to other agenda's. And because they are women, no one seems to question the things they say. Where as, if a man said that we should kill women and limit them to 10% of the population, they would be quickly criticized and you would never hear from them again. But these particular feminists wrote several books and became rich of the sale of those books with those ideas in them.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    They need to grow some thicker skin. Maybe understand that it is a compliment. When I was overseas, if you complimented a woman on how she looked, you usually got a smile and probably a giggle as they kept on walking. They are not stupid, they know guys are looking at them and they just accept that as a natural thing and they appreaciate the compliments. Im not going to say that anything goes. There certainly is a line between a tasteful compliment and a sexual compliment. If that's the worst they got from 10 hours of walking thru the streets of a big city, then I don't see the issue. I would be interested to see all the other comments they did not include in the video.
    I think people are entitled to define their own boundaries. I think it's fine for someone to be uncomfortable with comments about their appearance - even if those comments are intended as compliments. I don't think they "need to grow thicker skin" unless that's how they choose to deal with their discomfort. However, if they choose to deal with their discomfort by setting boundaries with people and/or trying to inspire social change, then that's fine too.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Feminists want the approach of any female by a male to be harassment. All one has to do is just look at what kind of laws they are pushing and what they say. Feminists want women to basically not talk to or deal with men at all. Some feminists actually want to kill all men or limit them to 10% of the population. Just enough to keep the species going. Im not kidding, just google feminazi quotes and you will see what their agenda is right away. Equal rights was dealt with, not they have moved on to other agenda's. And because they are women, no one seems to question the things they say. Where as, if a man said that we should kill women and limit them to 10% of the population, they would be quickly criticized and you would never hear from them again. But these particular feminists wrote several books and became rich of the sale of those books with those ideas in them.
    Did you get tragically humiliated at prom or something???
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That really isn't the case.
    sexual harrassment : uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical behavior of a sexual nature especially by a person in authority toward a subordinate (as an employee or student)

    sexual harassment : unsolicited verbal or physical behaviour of a sexual nature. Sexual harassment may embrace any sexually motivated behaviour considered offensive by the recipient.

    Sexual harassment - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    All of the comments in the video fit both definitions because all of the comments were uninvited, unwelcome and unsolicited. Like I said, it's subjective.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Feminists want the approach of any female by a male to be harassment. All one has to do is just look at what kind of laws they are pushing and what they say. Feminists want women to basically not talk to or deal with men at all. Some feminists actually want to kill all men or limit them to 10% of the population. Just enough to keep the species going. Im not kidding, just google feminazi quotes and you will see what their agenda is right away. Equal rights was dealt with, not they have moved on to other agenda's. And because they are women, no one seems to question the things they say. Where as, if a man said that we should kill women and limit them to 10% of the population, they would be quickly criticized and you would never hear from them again. But these particular feminists wrote several books and became rich of the sale of those books with those ideas in them.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm sure that the point of the video was probably to shame men for acting like asses, but seriously, by looking at the men in the video, who acted like they did, I wouldn't expect otherwise. Put the woman doing a similar "experiment" on Wall Street, and you'll very likely get a completely different result.
    I concur.

    I wonder how many of these men actually hold down a job ?

    I did notice an Obama phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I dont see what my sex has to do with anything. I have eyes and ears. I crazy to believe i know, but I am related to and even have female friends. The You're a man argument is dumb.
    As dumb as white people saying racism against blacks doesn't exist anymore?

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