View Poll Results: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

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  • I'm male - None of it

    3 4.48%
  • I'm female - None of it

    3 4.48%
  • I'm male - Some of it

    23 34.33%
  • I'm female - Some of it

    8 11.94%
  • I'm male - Most of it

    17 25.37%
  • I'm female - Most of it

    6 8.96%
  • I'm male - All of it

    2 2.99%
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    1 1.49%
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    4 5.97%
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I did not say "the only people that have it hard in America are non whites". You put those words in my mouth.
    Yes You did. And you put those words in your mouth.

    And, to top that, you still haven't demonstrated how what I posted is racism.
    You think the only people That have it hard are "people of color". You based that comment solely on race. Clearly it's racism.

    You're just repeating your reactionary conclusion like a lost parrot.
    You are simply attempting to dismiss somebody that holds you to your words.

    In sum, you have failed the test three times and I even gave you reading material. Shame.
    The test on how to be a good little follower and never question the status quo?

    Good, I am glad I failed, it means I am an independent thinker and not easily swayed by charlatans.

    Yay me!

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post

    Earlier in the thread, tb asked why the woman in the video didn't go to the police. I think tb should thank you for providing the answer.
    I don't think people should go to the police for protection from people saying, " hey baby." That isn't our job. We enforce laws.

    If somebody is saying words to you... Talk to your kindergarten teacher, or better yet keep these words in mind, "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

    If they are death threats, that is a crime, and we have the ability to do something about that. If they are just saying " hey baby" well, they have that right. The first amendment grants them that. We can't really do anything.

    Now the fellows following her, that is behavior that it's suspicious.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Yes You did.
    You have accused me - twice now - of saying "the only people that have it hard in America are non whites". Post it. (I didn't read the rest of your post because I don't read past lies.)

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You have accused me - twice now - of saying "the only people that have it hard in America are non whites". Post it. (I didn't read the rest of your post because I don't read past lies.)
    Post 251.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The only men that American culture is "hard on" on men of color.
    Are white people men of color? If not, the usage of the word "only" specifically excludes them.

    Funny, how you accuse me of lying.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I have, in many cities. In fact, I've seen much worse. Many female friends of mine have been harassed like this, often with much stronger language.

    And of course... the video is an example of this type of behavior. Don't you feel a bit more educated now?

    Or, it's a problem that is common in many areas, notably dense environments (where women happen to walk past more men in an hour), and is not limited to specific cultures.

    I'm sorry, but this is a silly argument. It's not like they sent you a DVD in the mail with your name on it. You came across the video. If you sympathize with women who are frequently put in this kind of situation, you have the option to do something about it.

    To be clear, I am not marketing anything. I have no affiliation whatsoever with Hollaback, just pointing you to their website.

    The organization also wasn't targeting upper and middle class audiences. There is nothing in their materials which makes any such suggestion, and they repeatedly state that this problem is not limited by location, race, ethnicity, culture. It also doesn't depend on how the woman is dressed, whether she reacts or ignores them. All they did was put the video out there, the media picked it up, and as a result they've gotten millions of views, far beyond what they expected.
    First off, for someone to even be made aware of this video in the first place, a few rather specific variables have to fall into place. Spreading the video's message essentially pre-supposes that it's audience have an inclination to surf the kinds of sites that would circulate the material in question (or be acquainted with a social circle that would), or have access to the internet at all to begin with. All of those factors serve to skew the audience it is capable of influencing rather heavily towards the Middle and Upper classes.

    To be honest, I would be rather surprised if this garners much any attention whatsoever outside of the usual "echo-chambers" of media punditry, or the social media pages of Left-leaning college students and political firebrands prone to surf partisan websites.

    The simple fact of the matter, as I noted before, is that none of those groups were ever really "the problem" here to begin with. As such, this whole endeavor can ultimately be seen to constitute little more than a lot of "sound and fury signifying nothing."

    Secondly, as I've asked you earlier, but you declined to reply, what do you expect ME, personally, to do about this "problem?" What course of action are you suggesting that I, or any other conscientious man, take?

    I can whole-heartedly agree with you that men who harass women are classless reprobates until Hell freezes over. For that matter, I absolutely do. I would never dream of doing such a thing.

    However, it won't change a damn thing, as I was never "part of the problem" here to begin with.

    Ah, I see. So women are pregnant all the time, and want to clean stuff, and this inherently restricts their career preferences. Got it.

    How does the nesting instinct, which only really kicks in well into pregnancy, preclude women from working as police officers, or doctors, or scientists, or computer programmers?
    Women are, almost as a general rule, far more interested in "domestic pursuits" than most men would ever dream of being. This really cannot be said be strictly "cultural" either, as it is a phenomena which can be observed to exist almost universally, across regional, cultural, and ethnic boundaries.

    Given that we already know that women possess "nesting instincts" in more extreme forms when their hormones are in full kick, does it not also stand to reason that they very likely have similar instincts at play the rest of the time as well?

    Does it really seem likely to you that every culture on Earth simply happened to stumble upon the same idea, completely by coincidence, without any natural inclinations being involved whatsoever?

    Yea... Get real.

    Do the number of women exceed the number of men in jobs like dental hygienists, speech therapy pathologists, paralegals, teachers, physical therapists, and doctor's assistants because of a nesting instinct, that only really kicks in well into pregnancy?
    Did I say that women could not do those jobs? No.

    Did I say that women should not do those jobs? Again, no.

    What I said was that, on an innate level, women and men tend to have different aptitudes. This very often serves to shape what hobbies, professions, and socio-cultural trappings happen to catch their interests.

    Frankly, this isn't really even up for debate. It's not an "opinion." It is objectively true, on the basis of raw statistics if nothing else.

    Men flock to some fields, and avoid others. The same is true of women.

    Other than your ideological insistence that men and women MUST be the same in all things (regardless of whether they even want to be in the first place or not, apparently ), why is this a problem?

    Is there any particular reason we need a female Rambo, or a male Martha Steward, other than irrational political interest?
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Post 251.



    Are white people men of color? If not, the usage of the word "only" specifically excludes them.

    Funny, how you accuse me of lying.
    You don't understand the difference between "the only people that have it hard in America are non whites" and "the only men that American culture is "hard on" on men of color" ?
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yes and no. To what extent it is possible to truly separate sex from gender roles is incredibly tricky. So let's take instead some general gender role assumptions: 1) women are nurturing and in so doing, protective 2) men are public figures, often in charge of guarding and creating the public sphere.

    Now let's take a look at teaching. In the beginning, pre-adult teaching was a man's world. It afforded him some prestige as a leader in the public sphere (albeit, not quite professionalized) and guiding pupils to become part of that public sphere. But as time went on the meaning of pre-adult teaching shifted. With the growth of colleges and universities, men were joining those circles more often. Far greater prestige was afforded to college and university teaching-a male dominated field. Public and professional prestige was a man's benefit, not a woman's. Where prestige went, so too did men, leaving women to pick up the slack where prestige was removed.

    That being said, either because of men's expectations for themselves or because of some inner-drive from women as mothers, advocates, and teachers, public school education (if one removes administration from the equation) is incredibly female-dominated. We perpetuate it, perhaps to some extent of a biological or neurological difference, but also largely because society accelerates whatever (if any) inner inclinations there are.
    Exactly. At the end of the day, this is all common sense.

    It simply happens to be "ideological heresy" for a lot of people, so they don't like to hear it said out loud.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You don't understand the difference between "the only people that have it hard in America are non whites" and "the only men that American culture is "hard on" on men of color" ?
    No.....
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Exactly. At the end of the day, this is all common sense.

    It simply happens to be "ideological heresy" for a lot of people, so they don't like to hear it said out loud.
    But I am highlighting some serious problems with the idea that it is completely or mostly innate.

    Some of it may be, but individual professions change. In the medical field for instance, men preferred to have positions of authority which established, again, professional prestige. The problem was when it came to, say, women's health, they weren't all that knowledgable. Midwives and other trusted women used methods not embraced by the professional men doctors. Later it turned out that they had started to embrace women's medical knowledge and attempted to usurp the traditionally-female dominated practices. Once again, they used their prestige and their scholarship as justifications to remove women from their place in society. Nurses, for instance, became the woman's domain and were subservient to the trained male in medicine.

    As I said, what became "men's work" and "women's work" shifted over time. However, a somewhat consistent rhetorical basis remained to justify those changes. Women were the nurturers, but they weren't that smart. Men on the other hand, were professionals, smart, and public figures, but not nurturers.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    But I am highlighting some serious problems with the idea that it is completely or mostly innate.
    Some people hear just what they want to hear and disregard the rest
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