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  • I'm male - None of it

    3 4.48%
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    3 4.48%
  • I'm male - Some of it

    23 34.33%
  • I'm female - Some of it

    8 11.94%
  • I'm male - Most of it

    17 25.37%
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    6 8.96%
  • I'm male - All of it

    2 2.99%
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    1 1.49%
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Some of it is very creepy but by the definition of the word none of it looks to be harassment.

    It's clear that the woman doesn't want men to talk to her, and that's fine, but that doesn't actually make it harassment especially when she hasn't actually told them she doesn't want them talking to her.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    but that doesn't actually make it harassment.
    What's the working definition of "harassment"?

    What would the guys in the video have to do to turn those instances into actual harassment (under your definition)?

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    What's the working definition of "harassment"?

    What would the guys in the video have to do to turn those instances into actual harassment (under your definition)?
    ha·rass·ment
    həˈrasmənt,ˈherəsmənt/
    noun
    aggressive pressure or intimidation.
    "they face daily harassment by the police"
    synonyms: persecution, intimidation, pressure, force, coercion; informalhassle
    "the report cites three separate accusations of harassment"

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    ha·rass·ment
    həˈrasmənt,ˈherəsmənt/
    noun
    aggressive pressure or intimidation.
    "they face daily harassment by the police"
    synonyms: persecution, intimidation, pressure, force, coercion; informalhassle
    "the report cites three separate accusations of harassment"
    (1) : to annoy persistently (2) : to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct
    See number 2 please.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which are all roles women tend to naturally gravitate towards as well, as they tend to cater to female strengths and female interests. It doesn't mean that they are not respectable professions, or that there is not wealth and prestige to be gained there. It also does not mean that women cannot seek out other professions if they so choose.

    It simply means that men are predisposed to be more noteworthy in some fields, and women in others.

    Why is the Left so fundamentally opposed to acknowledging the simple reality that men and women are, on a biological and behavioral level, different?

    There is no shame in it.
    Sorry what are these fields that men are inherently predisposed to be more noteworthy in?

    Recognizing different strengths as inherently male or inherently female is a load of socially motivated BS. There are millions of 'sensitive' men and millions of 'strong' women. These 'behavioural differences' do not predispose a man to be a better boss, farmer or engineer and a woman to be a worse one. They also do not predispose women to be better nurses or babysitters, and men worse ones. There are plenty of women who hate kids, and plenty of men who love them and want to become stay at home dads etc.

    Biological differences in strength etc only realistically come into play at peak performance levels. That's not to mention that as industry in the west becomes more and more tertiary there are fewer 'heavy lifting' jobs anyway. Regardless, there are likely millions of women out there that are better predisposed than me or you to become construction workers.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    See number 2 please.
    Exactly which of those fit the description?

    I mean, do I know have the cite the definition of persistently to you?

    Again, it's fine this woman doesn't want men to talk to her but that doesn't mean someone saying "hello" is harassing her.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    1) The video is not, and is not intended to be, an exhaustive study of the class, ethnicity and/or race of street harassers.
    I have never harassed a woman on the street, nor do I know anyone who has.

    Hell! I've never ever witnessed it.

    Again, the simple fact of the matter here is that this is only really a problem for a small minority of men, who generally tend to belong sub-cultural groups which make up small minorities of the overall population anyway.

    It has nothing whatsoever to do with me, nor is there anything I can do to prevent it. The ball is their court, so to speak.

    2) I see the same people I walk past almost every day. They're not sketchy looking, it is the behavior that is sketchy.
    We will have to agree to disagree on that.

    And the group can speak for itself, in terms of recommended actions. Hollaback! You have the power to end street harassment
    Well, good for them.

    I'm still not seeing what that has to do with me, however.

    Meaning what, no one who wants to advocate for a cause should bother to make videos that you personally might see?

    The whole purpose of an "awareness raising" campaign is just to get people (in general) aware of an issue. It's a standard and acceptable method of advocating for a cause. They aren't going to give you a survey, and only show the video to people who meet certain criteria.

    Or perhaps you think those obnoxious women should just shut up and take it?

    So basically, no one should care about inappropriate behavior, because you don't think it can be changed? Nice.
    No, but I'm not understanding what you think you're going to accomplish by marketing your "awareness" campaign primarily at Middle and Upper class audiences, when this is a primarily lower class problem to begin with.

    It has nothing to do with me one way or the other.

    Are you expecting me to form an anti-street harassment vigilante squad here, or press for legislation making it illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    What BS. There is no genetic or hereditary predisposition for women to clean kitchen and sweep floors. That's cultural, not innate.

    There's shame in expressing reactionary sexist views, which have basically no evidence to support them.

    Unless, of course, you do know of specific genetic traits, only present in women, that make them prefer domestic duties...?
    It's called "nesting instinct."

    Driven to clean: Nesting instinct among pregnant women has an evolutionary backstory

    It can be observed among the female sexes of just about every mammalian species we are aware of, and even, rather acutely, in pregnant human women. It likely exists in most non-pregnant women to a lesser degree as well.

    Beyond which, the simple fact of the matter is that no one is forcing women to enjoy Martha Steward, Rachael Ray, or the products they sell more than men do.

    They do that all on their own.

    Other than the fact that it happens to contradict your goofy political ideology, why is that a problem?
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which are all roles women tend to naturally gravitate towards as well, as they tend to cater to female strengths and female interests. It doesn't mean that they are not respectable professions, or that there is not wealth and prestige to be gained there. It also does not mean that women cannot seek out other professions if they so choose.

    It simply means that men are predisposed to be more noteworthy in some fields, and women in others.

    Why is the Left so fundamentally opposed to acknowledging the simple reality that men and women are, on a biological and behavioral level, different?

    There is no shame in it.

    I would pay big money to have you say this in front of my wife.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I would pay big money to have you say this in front of my wife.
    I'm sorry to hear that she is opposed to reality and simple common sense.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I'm sorry to hear that she is opposed to reality and simple common sense.
    Your brand of common sense is a lot less common than you would like to think.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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