View Poll Results: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

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  • I'm male - None of it

    3 4.48%
  • I'm female - None of it

    3 4.48%
  • I'm male - Some of it

    23 34.33%
  • I'm female - Some of it

    8 11.94%
  • I'm male - Most of it

    17 25.37%
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    6 8.96%
  • I'm male - All of it

    2 2.99%
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    1 1.49%
  • I'm male - I'll explain my thoughts

    4 5.97%
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Well American culture has been pretty hard on men. Ifyou watch television, they are portrayed as idiots. Particularly fathers. It started with Archie bunker, than homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, Phil from modern family, Raymond from everybody loves Raymond. Even shows that have men in them without children. Rules of engagement. Men are portrayed as dumb, or frivolous, obsessed with food or sex. The culture seems to be reflected in the entertainment. Though I like all of those shows, I can't help but notice that.

    Must be hard.
    The only men that American culture is "hard on" on men of color. Incidentally, your example only points out white men who not only have it great in American culture, but who also have it the absolute best in American culture.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Ummm.....name a popular all-female professional sport televised on national TV with regular frequency?
    Who's the female Neil Degrasse Tyson?
    Who's the female Warren Buffett?
    Name a male who can compete with the likes of Martha Steward or Rachael Ray in the domestic marketing business.
    Name a male supermodel who's not a complete joke.

    Men and women tend to gravitate towards different fields of interest. This doesn't mean much of anything in and of itself.

    Also - do you think the Kartrasian shows, and Real Housewife shows portray women in a wonderful light?
    The Kardashians and "real housewives" are being themselves. They simply happen to be horrible people.

    The male characters Clax was alluding to are artificial constructions, specifically meant to played for laughs.

    Besides, the men on the shows you mentioned typically aren't portrayed any better than the women.

    Name a show where the top detective that solves all the crimes is a female character?
    Veronica Mars, Alias, Harriett the Spy, Nancy Drew, and several popular detective shows on television at the moment.

    Ever seen Law & Order SVU, for instance?

    I can list off at least a half a dozen men who've had that role. Who's the female version of Baretta, Kojak, Magnum PI, Iron Sides, Rockford....
    Was there a female MacGyver?
    And why don't you ask for a female version of Rocky, Rambo, or 1980s Arnold Schwarzenegger while you're at it?

    Again, men and women have different interests. This tends to affect the roles they play in media.

    It doesn't mean that anyone is being "oppressed."
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 10-31-14 at 12:48 PM.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Name a male who can compete with the likes of Martha Steward or Rachael Ray in the domestic marketing business.
    Richard Simmons?

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I think Lizzie's point was that the woman in question was walking through somewhat "trashy" parts of the city
    She wasn't


    around "trashy" people
    Not that either


    and the reactions she got tended to be "trashy" for that exact reason.
    Or maybe they're "trashy" because.... they're trashy comments, with guys hitting on a random woman in broad daylight as she's minding her own business?


    If some ghetto black guy (or drunken frat boy, for that matter) wants to "holla at a bitch," what the Hell am I supposed to do about it? It was their decision, not mine.
    Let's be clear, no one is holding you accountable for another person's actions.

    What you could do, if you so choose, is support a group that is trying to change this behavior. Or at least acknowledge that it's a real issue.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    She wasn't

    Not that either

    Or maybe they're "trashy" because.... they're trashy comments, with guys hitting on a random woman in broad daylight as she's minding her own business?
    Because skeezy looking guys in wife beaters loitering on street corners in the middle of the day is simply the epitome of "class," amirite?

    What you could do, if you so choose, is support a group that is trying to change this behavior. Or at least acknowledge that it's a real issue.
    How are you proposing that they change it?

    More ridiculous and draconian anti-male legislation?

    For that matter, why am I the one being made aware of this in the first place? Again, it's not usually men from my class or background who are responsible for this kind of thing anyway.

    The ones that actually are, quite frankly, don't give a damn what you, I, or a bunch of ivory tower feminists happen to think about their behavior.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 10-31-14 at 12:47 PM.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    It's tough for everybody out there.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Name a male who can compete with the likes of Martha Steward or Rachael Ray in the domestic marketing business.
    Name a male supermodel who's not a complete joke.
    House keeping and beauty?

    You left out babysitters, nurses and teachers!!
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    House keeping and beauty?

    You left out babysitters, nurses and teachers!!
    Which are all roles women tend to naturally gravitate towards as well, as they tend to cater to female strengths and female interests. It doesn't mean that they are not respectable professions, or that there is not wealth and prestige to be gained there. It also does not mean that women cannot seek out other professions if they so choose.

    It simply means that men are predisposed to be more noteworthy in some fields, and women in others.

    Why is the Left so fundamentally opposed to acknowledging the simple reality that men and women are, on a biological and behavioral level, different?

    There is no shame in it.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 10-31-14 at 01:53 PM.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Because skeezy looking guys in wife beaters loitering on street corners in the middle of the day is simply the epitome of "class," amirite?
    1) The video is not, and is not intended to be, an exhaustive study of the class, ethnicity and/or race of street harassers.
    2) I see the same people I walk past almost every day. They're not sketchy looking, it is the behavior that is sketchy.


    How are you proposing that they change it? More ridiculous and draconian anti-male legislation?
    No.

    And the group can speak for itself, in terms of recommended actions. Hollaback! You have the power to end street harassment


    For that matter, why am I the one being made aware of this in the first place?
    Meaning what, no one who wants to advocate for a cause should bother to make videos that you personally might see?

    The whole purpose of an "awareness raising" campaign is just to get people (in general) aware of an issue. It's a standard and acceptable method of advocating for a cause. They aren't going to give you a survey, and only show the video to people who meet certain criteria.

    Or perhaps you think those obnoxious women should just shut up and take it?


    The ones that actually are, quite frankly, don't give a damn what you, I, or a bunch of ivory tower feminists happen to think about their behavior.
    So basically, no one should care about inappropriate behavior, because you don't think it can be changed? Nice.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which are all roles women tend to naturally gravitate towards as well...
    What BS. There is no genetic or hereditary predisposition for women to clean kitchen and sweep floors. That's cultural, not innate.


    Why is the Left so fundamentally opposed to acknowledging the simple reality that men and women are, on a biological and behavioral level, different? There is no shame in it.
    There's shame in expressing reactionary sexist views, which have basically no evidence to support them.

    Unless, of course, you do know of specific genetic traits, only present in women, that make them prefer domestic duties...?

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