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  • I'm male - None of it

    3 4.48%
  • I'm female - None of it

    3 4.48%
  • I'm male - Some of it

    23 34.33%
  • I'm female - Some of it

    8 11.94%
  • I'm male - Most of it

    17 25.37%
  • I'm female - Most of it

    6 8.96%
  • I'm male - All of it

    2 2.99%
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    1 1.49%
  • I'm male - I'll explain my thoughts

    4 5.97%
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    She had a purpose. This wasn't just random. She did not engage or otherwise provoke. She walked. Not making eye contact. Probably like many men walk around NYC all the time.

    I'm for sure in the camp of some of the comments are not harassment.
    I think Lizzie's point was that the woman in question was walking through somewhat "trashy" parts of the city, around "trashy" people, and the reactions she got tended to be "trashy" for that exact reason.

    After all, "Catcalling" isn't something universal, but cultural. Some groups are going to be more prone to it than others, especially if they are in environments where they feel they have the power to do so without putting themselves at risk.

    That's a large part of the reason why this discussion is so ridiculous in the first place.

    If some ghetto black guy (or drunken frat boy, for that matter) wants to "holla at a bitch," what the Hell am I supposed to do about it?

    It was their decision, not mine.

    Hell! I arguably don't even belong to the same cultures which made those men inclined to misbehave in the first place.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 10-31-14 at 01:39 AM.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    This is one of the reasons I want to leave America. I have been to several other countries where walking on the street is common across the country, not just in the big cities. When you stop and talk to a female, they smile, they talk back to you and they are generally pleasant and don't mind conversation. In the states, I have noticed many women are high nosed, ignore you and a lot of times have the attitude of the girl in this video who seems to be to good to talk to anyone. A lot of times, simply saying hi and being friendly suffices for most people and they will move on. Not to mention, if it is obvious a woman is being harassed on a busy street corner, a lot of times other men will step in to protect her.
    I happen to know for a fact that what we call "street harassment" is actually a common form of flirtation in Russia.

    I watched a whole movie based around the premise during one of my foreign language classes in college. It was literally nothing but an hour and a half of some random guy pestering a woman he saw on the street until she finally agreed to have a crazy adventure around the city with him.

    The girls in the class couldn't believe it.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    What 10 hours of street harassment looks like - CNN.com




    Now some of it is outright harassment, but is all of it?

    Please watch the rather short video.
    Somebody is acknowledging you, most definitely, the creepers that were walking next to her way to long, yeah. But, saying "hey, or nice" I guess that would depend on the person.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I happen to know for a fact that what we call "street harassment" is actually a common form of flirtation in Russia.

    I watched a whole movie based around the premise during one of my foreign language classes in college. It was literally nothing but an hour and a half of some random guy pestering a woman he saw on the street until she finally agreed to have a crazy adventure around the city with him.

    The girls in the class couldn't believe it.
    Well American culture has been pretty hard on men. Ifyou watch television, they are portrayed as idiots. Particularly fathers. It started with Archie bunker, than homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, Phil from modern family, Raymond from everybody loves Raymond. Even shows that have men in them without children. Rules of engagement. Men are portrayed as dumb, or frivolous, obsessed with food or sex. The culture seems to be reflected in the entertainment. Though I like all of those shows, I can't help but notice that.

    Must be hard.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Well American culture has been pretty hard on men. Ifyou watch television, they are portrayed as idiots. Particularly fathers. It started with Archie bunker, than homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, Phil from modern family, Raymond from everybody loves Raymond. Even shows that have men in them without children. Rules of engagement. Men are portrayed as dumb, or frivolous, obsessed with food or sex. The culture seems to be reflected in the entertainment. Though I like all of those shows, I can't help but notice that.

    Must be hard.
    Protip: if the worst thing oppressing you is Homer Simpson, you probably don't "have it hard".

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Protip: if the worst thing oppressing you is Homer Simpson, you probably don't "have it hard".
    I didn't really say anything about oppression, that is a rather strange conclusion to jump to.

    I was simply remarking on how entertainment is reflective of society. Besides, I am married to another man, so the female/male dynamic doesn't really exist in my life.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Unfounded wasn't the best word but it is close enough... people are swept away by tsunamis and rogue waves but having a constant fear of this happening each time I go to the beach borders on paranoia and is an unrealistic fear, in my opinion.
    If a man raises his hand to hit his wife everyday, but only hits her once a year, is her fear of him hitting her "unrealistic" just because the odds of him hitting her are low? No. As I'm sure you know, fear is not simply based on an analysis of odds. It's usually a response to external stimuli. In this case, the external stimuli are unknown men with unknown intentions and mental states making unsolicited comments on your body. The fear of something happening is certainly "realistic".

    And, for the record, here's the story of a women who ended up being murdered for not responding to a man's "catcall" :

    Mary “Unique” Spears had reportedly just left a relative’s funeral and arrived at the Joe Louis Post rental hall on Detroit’s east side to continue celebrating his life with other family members. That was when Spears was stopped and harassed by a 38-year-old male, whom family members had never seen before.

    “He said, ‘Can I get your name, your number?’” one of Spears relatives, who asked to remain unidentified, told the news station. “She said, ‘I have a man; I can’t talk to you.’”

    According to the family member, the man continued to bother the 27-year-old mother of three until she was preparing to leave the establishment, when the man reportedly grabbed and hit the woman. Spears’ fiance intervened and a fight ensued, during which the suspect pulled out a gun and started shooting.

    Mother of 3 Killed in Detroit After Rejecting a Man’s Advances - The Root

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Well American culture has been pretty hard on men. Ifyou watch television, they are portrayed as idiots. Particularly fathers. It started with Archie bunker, than homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, Phil from modern family, Raymond from everybody loves Raymond. Even shows that have men in them without children. Rules of engagement. Men are portrayed as dumb, or frivolous, obsessed with food or sex. The culture seems to be reflected in the entertainment. Though I like all of those shows, I can't help but notice that.

    Must be hard.
    Ummm.....name a popular all-female professional sport televised on national TV with regular frequency?
    Who's the female Neil Degrasse Tyson?
    Who's the female Warren Buffett?

    Also - do you think the Kartrasian shows, and Real Housewife shows portray women in a wonderful light?

    Was Edith Bunker or Peg Bundy a great portrayal of women? Who were the great doctors on MASH, and what was the lead female character's main purpose on the show?

    Name a show where the top detective that solves all the crimes is a female character?
    I can list off at least a half a dozen men who've had that role. Who's the female version of Baretta, Kojak, Magnum PI, Iron Sides, Rockford....
    Was there a female MacGyver?

    Sure, some men on some tv shows are portrayed as idiots.
    Apparently that's a reflection of reality.
    Right?

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Ummm.....name a popular all-female professional sport televised on national TV with regular frequency?
    Who's the female Neil Degrasse Tyson?
    Who's the female Warren Buffett?

    Also - do you think the Kartrasian shows, and Real Housewife shows portray women in a wonderful light?

    Was Edith Bunker or Peg Bundy a great portrayal of women? Who were the great doctors on MASH, and what was the lead female character's main purpose on the show?

    Name a show where the top detective that solves all the crimes is a female character?
    I can list off at least a half a dozen men who've had that role. Who's the female version of Baretta, Kojak, Magnum PI, Iron Sides, Rockford....
    Was there a female MacGyver?

    Sure, some men on some tv shows are portrayed as idiots.
    Apparently that's a reflection of reality.
    Right?
    It's more a reflection of our culture. But I see your point. Often times women are portrayed poorly in pop culture. Alas I don't give that much thought because the women that are close to me are rather eccentric and trends to defy stereotypes.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Coming from a rural area, I have to realize city folk think that talking to another human being in public is eccentric or off-putting. Some of the instances were what we do on a regular basis to men and women. Hello, how are you, have a good day, let me get that for you, are a regular feature in small town atmospheres. If I acted like a sincerely friendly person in a city, I know it would be received negatively. Their loss, as far as I am concerned.

    Most of the instances were demonstrating poor manners and do not come off in any way as charming. Much of it was offensive or nerve-wracking as hell. In particular, the gentleman that followed her for some five minutes was pretty worrying. I could easily see how it would be uncomfortable to be a woman in a public place.

    I have perhaps, at most, experienced some hooting and hollering once in a public place. I'm a guy, so it wasn't until someone pointed out what had happened that I understood what had gone on. Of course I wasn't offended and was flattered, but it was both so rare and non-threatening that I could afford to be flattered. Guys just don't have to deal with the issue and even if it does happen, we probably will react differently as a result.
    Sure, small towns and big cities are different, but the difference isn't that people in small towns have manners and people in big cities do not. It's just that the appropriateness of certain behaviors depends on the circumstances.

    For example, if I were in a bar and approached a woman and said "I can't take my eyes off of you. Can I buy you a drink and talk for a few minutes?" it would not be inappropriate at all. However, at a funeral, it might cause a scene.

    If only 1% of all males do this sort of thing, that means that in a small town, there's only a handful of guys who do this, and not as many women for them to do it to, and everyone knows who they are. In a big city, it means tens of thousands of guys doing it to women all day long with anonymity, which serves to make them more bold and even aggressive. It is not unusual, as this organization points out on their website, for these advances to turn hostile or even threatening when the women reject or ignore the men.
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