View Poll Results: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

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  • I'm male - None of it

    3 4.48%
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  • I'm male - Some of it

    23 34.33%
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    8 11.94%
  • I'm male - Most of it

    17 25.37%
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    6 8.96%
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    2 2.99%
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, there is, but most women that I know, don't really want to. They want to be noticed, and they want to look good. If I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively, and it's pretty easy to do. It doesn't guarantee that you're not going to be noticed, but it does seem to send a signal that you're not interested, and I'd say that the vast majority of people, male or female, understand the non-verbal cues.
    Not to be rude Lizzie, but it's my understanding you're quite a bit older than me, so I don't doubt you don't see that as much as younger women do. I do dress very conservatively most days. My standard outfit is jeans and a t shirt. I don't have large breasts to "flaunt" and I don't wear tight skinny jeans because I find them uncomfortable. Did you miss my post about how I've been harassed wearing a winter coat? Because that has happened. Multiple times. And I'm not talking about some guy just saying hello, or telling me I'm pretty. Sometimes it's just that guys stare at me for a long time and my creep meter goes up a bit. Other times I've had disgusting things said to me, or been followed down the sidewalk after I've made it clear I don't want to talk to someone. I've even been grabbed on the street. It's scary and it's humiliating at the same time. I'm glad these things haven't happened to you, but I find it really insulting you want to put the blame on me for them happening. I have done nothing to invite this behavior, and neither has the girl wearing a skirt who does want to look cute that day. Please stop and take a second to think about what your comments are really saying.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Not to be rude Lizzie, but it's my understanding you're quite a bit older than me, so I don't doubt you don't see that as much as younger women do. I do dress very conservatively most days. My standard outfit is jeans and a t shirt. I don't have large breasts to "flaunt" and I don't wear tight skinny jeans because I find them uncomfortable. Did you miss my post about how I've been harassed wearing a winter coat? Because that has happened. Multiple times. And I'm not talking about some guy just saying hello, or telling me I'm pretty. Sometimes it's just that guys stare at me for a long time and my creep meter goes up a bit. Other times I've had disgusting things said to me, or been followed down the sidewalk after I've made it clear I don't want to talk to someone. I've even been grabbed on the street. It's scary and it's humiliating at the same time. I'm glad these things haven't happened to you, but I find it really insulting you want to put the blame on me for them happening. I have done nothing to invite this behavior, and neither has the girl wearing a skirt who does want to look cute that day. Please stop and take a second to think about what your comments are really saying.
    Who is blaming you for anything? I said that if I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively. Maybe you just live around a different caliber of men than I am accustomed to, or maybe manners are better where I live, but around here, the way a woman dresses, and the way she projects her image, make a huge difference. And yeah, I'm older than you, and yeah, I still get looks. Fortunately, I am not insulted by it, nor am I intimidated.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Not to be rude Lizzie, but it's my understanding you're quite a bit older than me, so I don't doubt you don't see that as much as younger women do. I do dress very conservatively most days. My standard outfit is jeans and a t shirt. I don't have large breasts to "flaunt" and I don't wear tight skinny jeans because I find them uncomfortable. Did you miss my post about how I've been harassed wearing a winter coat? Because that has happened. Multiple times. And I'm not talking about some guy just saying hello, or telling me I'm pretty. Sometimes it's just that guys stare at me for a long time and my creep meter goes up a bit. Other times I've had disgusting things said to me, or been followed down the sidewalk after I've made it clear I don't want to talk to someone. I've even been grabbed on the street. It's scary and it's humiliating at the same time. I'm glad these things haven't happened to you, but I find it really insulting you want to put the blame on me for them happening. I have done nothing to invite this behavior, and neither has the girl wearing a skirt who does want to look cute that day. Please stop and take a second to think about what your comments are really saying.
    You sure covered a lot of territory that you seem to consider to be "harassment". Just because a guy looks your way doesn't mean he's fantasizing about ****ing you.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You sure covered a lot of territory that you seem to consider to be "harassment". Just because a guy looks your way doesn't mean he's fantasizing about ****ing you.
    Right, and just because black people are followed all around stores while they shop doesn't mean they're being stereotyped in any way at all.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    It's pretty clear that this group does not make any racist statements, so: No. No agenda there. Their explicitly stated goal is to reduce street harassment, regardless of the characteristics of the harasser.

    It's not about racist statements, it's the way the video is edited showing mostly minority men harassing a white women. She says it was all men but the video funnily enough doesn't reflect it. But as a man keep telling me as a woman who has experienced it over and over again how it is.


    See the video below, it's a little more objective when dealing with street harassment.


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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You sure covered a lot of territory that you seem to consider to be "harassment". Just because a guy looks your way doesn't mean he's fantasizing about ****ing you.
    I don't consider staring to be harassment. Rude, but not harassment. I do consider being grabbed, followed, and having obscene things said to me to be harassment, absolutely.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Who is blaming you for anything? I said that if I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively. Maybe you just live around a different caliber of men than I am accustomed to, or maybe manners are better where I live, but around here, the way a woman dresses, and the way she projects her image, make a huge difference. And yeah, I'm older than you, and yeah, I still get looks. Fortunately, I am not insulted by it, nor am I intimidated.
    I love it when men look at me with some appreciation. Hell, my husband even appreciates it when men look at me. You & I are about the same age. And the more provocative I dress (so to speak, but you & I both know even at our age, you can dress in a way that commands attention), the more looks I get. I get called a MILF and guess what? I am good with that! Because in 30 years I'll be wearing adult diapers and drooling in my wrinkles, and nobody will want to look at me then.

    Who the hell cares if someone looks at you? It's not like he's peeking in your bathroom windows or dropping a mirror under your skirt. When did it all change that it's somehow a bad thing when a man appreciates your appearance?
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Who is blaming you for anything? I said that if I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively. Maybe you just live around a different caliber of men than I am accustomed to, or maybe manners are better where I live, but around here, the way a woman dresses, and the way she projects her image, make a huge difference. And yeah, I'm older than you, and yeah, I still get looks. Fortunately, I am not insulted by it, nor am I intimidated.
    You are focusing on what you think a woman should do to avoid harassment, instead of how men shouldn't do it to begin with. Yeah, I get more looks and compliments when I'm dressed up or wearing more revealing clothes, but I honestly haven't seen that make a difference in the amount of harassment directed at me. Most of the times I can think of when something really offensive happened, I didn't even look good. I had my hair in a ponytail, no makeup on, and nothing that accentuated my figure. I think that is about something different, honestly. It's not that these men think I'm going to go have sex with them because they shout something at me. It's like a game to them, like they want to toy with me because they think it's fun and they can see I'm alone and really have no way to stop them. It probably makes them feel powerful over me.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Who is blaming you for anything? I said that if I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively. Maybe you just live around a different caliber of men than I am accustomed to, or maybe manners are better where I live, but around here, the way a woman dresses, and the way she projects her image, make a huge difference. And yeah, I'm older than you, and yeah, I still get looks. Fortunately, I am not insulted by it, nor am I intimidated.
    You DID get where she's harassed when wearing a winter coat?

    I'm thinking you are taking your situation and assuming it is the same for everyone, even though the videos and comments in here clearly show it isn't the same for everyone.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You sure covered a lot of territory that you seem to consider to be "harassment". Just because a guy looks your way doesn't mean he's fantasizing about ****ing you.
    You know Lutherf, there really seems to be a connection between women having an unhealthy thought pattern of distrusting men even hating them to the point they see some male looking at them, complementing them as somehow harassment and young girls who were raised in father-less homes or experienced abandonment from a father. Hmmmmm.

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