View Poll Results: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

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  • I'm male - None of it

    3 4.48%
  • I'm female - None of it

    3 4.48%
  • I'm male - Some of it

    23 34.33%
  • I'm female - Some of it

    8 11.94%
  • I'm male - Most of it

    17 25.37%
  • I'm female - Most of it

    6 8.96%
  • I'm male - All of it

    2 2.99%
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    1 1.49%
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    4 5.97%
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    This video may be reflective of NYC but it is not reflective of main stream America. This is what you get in a liberal city. Try this in my town and some cowboy is going to punch you in the mouth.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    I have not had a chance to watch the video yet, but a friend of mine pointed out that there are no white guys leering or making comments. Is it possible that she walked for all that time in NYC and never encountered a white male at all? Or, were they edited out? My cynical being says they were edited out. For what reason, I will leave to you to ponder.

    One point mentioned by many here is that some men merely said "hello", or some other 'friendly' variant. Implying, of course, that a simple friendly greeting is not harassment. Well, depends. Are those specific men friendly by nature? Do they say 'hello' to everybody, regardless of gender or attractiveness, or only to what they deem to be hot women?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Seriously? You don't get that analogy at all????

    As a man, you know what it's like for a woman to walk alone down crowded city streets?
    As a white guy, you know what it's like to be black?

    You don't see how that's rather silly?
    So, as a woman, and not being able to understand the male POV because you haven't "been there, done that", your conclusion regarding the men's motivations is just as irrelevant, right?

    No, I don't really believe that. I just used it as my own dismissal of the "you had to have been there, done that" discussion point. It cuts both ways, hence it doesn't mean what users want it to mean. Experience helps, sure, but it's not the be all and end all. Not only can thinking considerate people have valid conclusions as well, sometimes not being too close to a situations allows one to be more objective because they're less emotionally invested.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wait until she's old and fat, and no men notice her anymore. And yes, it will happen, and she will look back on this fondly and wish it was still happening.

    When I was young and pretty and blonde i always got catcalls and comments and "Hey babe" and all that ****. I worked in Newark NJ for a few years, and as a blonde woman in her early 20s I not only got it from other business people but I also got followed and all that by the homeless and the drug thugs who permeated that city. BFD.

    This whole video thing was a joke. 2 minutes out of 10 hours, and the entire snipping was made to make men look like idiots.

    I miss the days that I attracted the attention of men, and I look pretty damn good for 52 years old, married to the same guy for a quarter of a century and having 3 kids. It simply doesn't happen anymore especially when there are young girls wearing tight shirts and miniskirts on the same sidewalk.

    Harassment. WTF is up with the misuse of that word. Harassment of a woman involves sending her unwanted messages, waiting outside her place of business for her, kidnapping and killing her cat, sending dead roses in the mail....this isn't harassment. This was a joke and not even a funny one.
    If she indeed walked for 10 full hours, and if all they could get was 2 minutes of "worthy" video, then maybe the problem isn't all that bad after all. Maybe all they did was demonstrate the exception to the rule, not the rule itself.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    One more comment. I think a lot of men don't realize that many women have the threat of being sexually assaulted in the back of their mind much of time that they are walking by themselves. Men tend to be larger than most women so size alone can be scary, but then consider the added fear of assault and you can understand why some women are, at the least, uncomfortable by "catcalls". (What if I don't respond the right way? Is he going to follow me? If I smile, will he take that as an invitation and then get mad when I tell him "no"?)
    I think you may be spot-on, here.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It definitely was, and if it had been me, I would have stopped abruptly, looked him directly in the eyes, and asked him what he wanted. That is another reason that I know this video was just a set-up. She didn't portray responses that looked real to me. The guys were young men, for the most part. They weren't older, responsible-looking men who had regular jobs, apparently.
    We also don't know much of the context either, only how it was edited to portray. Maybe that guy just happened to be walking in the same direction she was going for five minutes. When they showed a shot of him with the caption that he was following her for five minutes and was right next to her, they were in what looked like a construction area and he may just happened to have walked next to her during that shot only. He didn't seem like he was overly trying to harass her all we had was that he was only following her for five minutes but we really don't know the exact circumstances. I know I hate when it happens I am going the same way as someone and it looks like I'm following them when I'm really not - it happens.
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Heads Up!

    This was produced by an international feminist organization called "Hollaback" [just as I suspected]

    Hollaback! You have the power to end street harassment*|* About

    As this guy point out, nothing but bilge.

    Saying Hi To a Woman = Harassment? Yes According to Feminists (10 Hours of Walking In NYC As a Woman - YouTube
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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    The title of the VIDEO is: "10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman"

    The creators of the video are not responsible for CNN's headlines. And the creators are being very clear that they edited 10 hours of walking down to 2 minutes.



    And maybe... just maybe... the point is that you SHOULDN'T be treated that way, in ANY part of town.
    exactly!

    for those saying "just 2 minutes" - how many of us would have watched a longer video? would you have watched 5 min of the creepy guy walking next to her? Yes, they edited it down, but I'm betting there was more stuff in the full 10 hours; they just gave us a sampler.

    And while some of the comments might not seem too bad - the thing is just how many there are. Just over and over and over and over. A constant rain of comments about her, her looks, her body, how she should be talking to them, etc. It's constant. It's not just one guy once in awhile. It's over and over.

    From Mark Morford's column, SFGATE.com
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    All told, they caught upwards of 100 examples of harassment in 10 short hours, ranging from smarmy, offhand “compliments” to full-blown leers, not to mention accusations, entitlements, pleas for attention running from creepy to gross to downright dangerous,
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    I asked my own girlfriend, who walks to her office every day from the center of the City to the Embarcadero (nearly and hour), and who I already know puts up with all sorts of creepy BS on the way, if this video matched her experience. She didn’t even hesitate:

    “Yep – that’s my morning walk. Less so when I get past Montgomery Street [SF’s Financial District], but only because at that point everyone’s totally self-absorbed, staring into their cellphones. But yes, I experience that every day. And a fair amount of ‘compliments’ are immediately followed by crude insults, like the guy who was smiling at me with creepy intensity, and said ‘good morning’… when I didn’t respond he spun around and yelled, “C–NT!”

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    exactly!

    for those saying "just 2 minutes" - how many of us would have watched a longer video? would you have watched 5 min of the creepy guy walking next to her? Yes, they edited it down, but I'm betting there was more stuff in the full 10 hours; they just gave us a sampler.
    Most people have a short attention span, sure, and one should always be conscious of that when making a point, but I think more than just 2 minutes, if available, would have driven home the point more effectively.

    Maybe making two versions available... a full version and a "sound bite" version. Then, at least, the full info is there to shoot down the point that it might be deceptively edited.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Heads Up!

    This was produced by an international feminist organization called "Hollaback" [just as I suspected]

    Hollaback! You have the power to end street harassment*|* About

    As this guy point out, nothing but bilge.

    Saying Hi To a Woman = Harassment? Yes According to Feminists (10 Hours of Walking In NYC As a Woman - YouTube
    I knew it had to be a leftist feminist group behind the video as it had all the ear markings. While they like to claim it is a 'war on women', in actuality it is their 'war on men'.

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