View Poll Results: What type of atheist are you?

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  • I consider myself a positive atheist.

    10 27.78%
  • I consider myself a negative atheist.

    20 55.56%
  • I consider myself an apatheist.

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    Re: Atheists.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I guess the primary difference is that the chewing gum manufacturers don't actively incite violence. I've yet to see a pack of Big Red that has suggested I bash a homosexual's head in with a rock.
    Okay...one post. I think the chewing gum analogy has outlived its usefulness.

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    Re: Atheists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuatara View Post
    agnostic - I am someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of God or gods
    That's a ridiculous statement though, you cannot neither believe nor disbelieve something. Belief is binary. If you do not believe, then by default you disbelieve, if you believe, then by default you cannot disbelieve.
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    Re: Atheists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Because ultimately that's no different than discrediting atheism on the basis of Stalin murdering a gazillion people.
    Which had nothing whatsoever to do with atheism, Stalin never said that his atheism had a thing to do with his actions, that was his politics. Hitler, however, was very, very clear that his Christianity was the direct cause of his actions against the Jews.
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    Re: Atheists.

    This distinction serves primarily to discredit atheism as a movement for public policy. Those vocal atheists are so silly, they talk about facts and reason and science, but they say that god definitely doesn't exist, but they can't prove it. They should just be quiet like the other respectful atheists. After all, if you can't prove it, any position on the subject is equally viable, right?

    Asserting the non-existence of a god is the same as asserting the non-existence of Harry Potter or the Loch Ness Monster. These things are supposed to exist within specific parameters. We looked. They're not there. Loch Ness is empty. There is no Hogwarts. There are no gods on top of Mt. Olympus. Are we absolutely, 100% certain that Zeus doesn't exist? No. But we went up Mt. Olympus and he wasn't there. So we're as certain as we need to be to construct a society that assumes his non-existence. The distinction is mostly a distraction to discredit atheist movements. Otherwise it's just a semantic difference for armchair philosophers.
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    Re: Atheists.

    Yes, we know you're an atheist, but are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?
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    Re: Atheists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which had nothing whatsoever to do with atheism, Stalin never said that his atheism had a thing to do with his actions, that was his politics. Hitler, however, was very, very clear that his Christianity was the direct cause of his actions against the Jews.
    All true (or at least nothing I'm willing to debate the particulars of at this time), but not the exact meaning of "discrediting" I was referring to. I wasn't talking about whether one stood as an exemplar for his faith or atheism, but whether the behavior of the individual had any bearing on the existence of a god.

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    Re: Atheists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    All true (or at least nothing I'm willing to debate the particulars of at this time), but not the exact meaning of "discrediting" I was referring to. I wasn't talking about whether one stood as an exemplar for his faith or atheism, but whether the behavior of the individual had any bearing on the existence of a god.
    No behavior has anything to do with the existence of a god. Gods either exist or they do not. What people believe about them does not affect that fact in any way. However, people can certainly allow their beliefs to influence their actions and that, as in the case of Hitler, certainly led him to act in certain ways that someone without those beliefs would have a hard time justifying.
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    Re: Atheists.

    In regard to the Abrahamic god and the god of all the religions I am familiar with, I am a positive atheist. In regard to the deistic god I am a negative atheist.

    I would also like to remind people that atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. You can be an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist.

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    Re: Atheists.

    Extraordinary. We're three pages in and no one's tried to say that atheism is a religion. There really is a god.

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    Re: Atheists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Because ultimately that's no different than discrediting atheism on the basis of Stalin murdering a gazillion people.
    You're talking about a conclusion. I'm talking about a point of reference that influences someone to read up on things and think of those things in context of that point of reference. I don't see anything wrong with someone reading up on atheism because of state atheism.

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