View Poll Results: Is it appropriate to demand proof or facts on Debate Politics?

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  • Yes. We need the facts to make for fair discussion.

    41 61.19%
  • Yes. Some people make stuff up.

    24 35.82%
  • No. Demanding proof is a cop out or scare tactic.

    4 5.97%
  • No. Proof is for trials in court and irrelavent for debates.

    1 1.49%
  • Yes. Other.

    22 32.84%
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    4 5.97%
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    Proof and Facts[W:76"283]

    Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

    From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

    What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    It depends, logic arguments don't need proof. You show the logic is not sound or try to claim one of the premises is false by providing proof of your own against all the premises.

    Sometimes people try to pressure proof for a logic argument, just to derail/hack a thread.

    And a problem with the internet is you can provide "proof" that pigs fly....

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    I am more than satisfied with a source and an interpretation of the data, then we can discuss that source and that interpretation.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Define proof. Proof in mathmatics maybe, but the rest is a matter of quality. I am really not sure there is any proof we all exist.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    It really depends on the situation and what is "proof" being asked for. It also depends on whether or not someone is trying to present something as fact, opinion, or their anecdotal experience.

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

    From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

    What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?
    There is no doubt, I should think, that it makes sense to ask for the facts on which an argument is based. This does not mean that things that are common knowledge, well known or on Wikipedia and likewise easy to find should be required. In my experience, when someone starts asking for proof that is so easily available, that person is not really interested and only trying to be a nuisance.

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Define proof. Proof in mathmatics maybe, but the rest is a matter of quality. I am really not sure there is any proof we all exist.
    When you start off on that one, we need to think about how to formulate the hypothesis to be falsified. A general proof is never possible.

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

    From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

    What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?
    I think it's reasonable to support your opinion with some rationality and logic, or basis in historical written evidence. But that's about the extent to which you have on an online forum of providing empirical facts.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?
    It's always appropriate to demand proof and facts. Getting someone to provide them is another story.

    From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.
    What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?
    Depends. If someone disputes my opinion, then they are justified in asking for proof or facts. I don't always provide proof or facts when stating my opinion, but I'll provide them if asked.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    I think it is important to ask for facts and proof, but it is also important to ask what was the logical process a poster uses when he or she presents a arguement.
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