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Re: Proof and Facts
Let us use what we are talking about in this discussion and it is not insurance.
If you claim that there is a pre-existing natural right and it is existent only in the minds of a believer then that so called natural right is NOT protecting anyone, it is not exercised by anyone, and it is not used by anyone since it is only an idea. The right does not actually exist in our physical world with real people being able to exercise it.
Your bogus comparison to an insurance policy is totally inappropriate.
Jefferson and the Founders defined the universe to which they claimed natural rights applied and that universe was ALL MEN. And they named some of the rights they claimed ALL MEN had including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Jefferson - who wrote most of the document - was a slave owner. Franklin - who helped with some clean-up language and ideas - was a slave owner. Many of the signers were slave owners. They took a position on paper which was an outright lie as none of those men believed it because their very daily actions were 100% contrary and opposite the position they took. Keeping a human being in a position of slavery denied them Equality, denied them Life, denied them Liberty and denied them their own Pursuit of Happiness.
That is the issue and anything else is a denial of reality that people who owned slaves and denied their equality, their life, their liberty and their pursuit of happiness believed in natural rights for all men. Their everyday real world actions were totally and completely opposite the flowery language they used to sell their actions to the nation and the world. Their statement of belief in natural rights was a self serving ersatz philosophical statement designed to fool the gullible and politically naive.
It is no different than a pedophile stating that that child abuse is morally wrong while at the same moment buggering a child. Their words say one thing while their actions say another. And there are many many different ways to say something that most people learn in life - ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. And when it comes to the self serving words of politicians - you can write that bit of wisdom in big fat block letters 1,000 feet high on the side of a mountain in bright neon paint.
John Locke, a man tied to the very start of the natural rights theory knew this well
And the actions of Jefferson and many of the signers were those of a denial of equality and any so called natural rights than came with it. And one of the fathers of the natural rights theory would not have been fooled.
Examine and judge a man by his actions. Not really complicated stuff now is it?
Let us use what we are talking about in this discussion and it is not insurance.
If you claim that there is a pre-existing natural right and it is existent only in the minds of a believer then that so called natural right is NOT protecting anyone, it is not exercised by anyone, and it is not used by anyone since it is only an idea. The right does not actually exist in our physical world with real people being able to exercise it.
Your bogus comparison to an insurance policy is totally inappropriate.
Jefferson and the Founders defined the universe to which they claimed natural rights applied and that universe was ALL MEN. And they named some of the rights they claimed ALL MEN had including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Jefferson - who wrote most of the document - was a slave owner. Franklin - who helped with some clean-up language and ideas - was a slave owner. Many of the signers were slave owners. They took a position on paper which was an outright lie as none of those men believed it because their very daily actions were 100% contrary and opposite the position they took. Keeping a human being in a position of slavery denied them Equality, denied them Life, denied them Liberty and denied them their own Pursuit of Happiness.
That is the issue and anything else is a denial of reality that people who owned slaves and denied their equality, their life, their liberty and their pursuit of happiness believed in natural rights for all men. Their everyday real world actions were totally and completely opposite the flowery language they used to sell their actions to the nation and the world. Their statement of belief in natural rights was a self serving ersatz philosophical statement designed to fool the gullible and politically naive.
It is no different than a pedophile stating that that child abuse is morally wrong while at the same moment buggering a child. Their words say one thing while their actions say another. And there are many many different ways to say something that most people learn in life - ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. And when it comes to the self serving words of politicians - you can write that bit of wisdom in big fat block letters 1,000 feet high on the side of a mountain in bright neon paint.
John Locke, a man tied to the very start of the natural rights theory knew this well
And the actions of Jefferson and many of the signers were those of a denial of equality and any so called natural rights than came with it. And one of the fathers of the natural rights theory would not have been fooled.
Examine and judge a man by his actions. Not really complicated stuff now is it?
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