View Poll Results: Is it appropriate to demand proof or facts on Debate Politics?

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  • Yes. We need the facts to make for fair discussion.

    41 61.19%
  • Yes. Some people make stuff up.

    24 35.82%
  • No. Demanding proof is a cop out or scare tactic.

    4 5.97%
  • No. Proof is for trials in court and irrelavent for debates.

    1 1.49%
  • Yes. Other.

    22 32.84%
  • No. Other.

    4 5.97%
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    So you do not understand the phrase?
    Its your shorthand way of saying that you cannot prove anything. I understand it too well.

    The idea that you would use such a BS phrase in a discussion on people failing to provide evidence or proof is amazing as it is an indictment upon your own tactics and failings.

    YOu are NOT talking about somebody challenging you to prove the sun rises in the east or that it snows in Minnesota in January. So get real and stop the BS nonsense and start getting some backbone and prove your claims about me.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Do you ever provide counter proof?
    Certainly.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Certainly.
    I bet you do. Most people come here to relax, debate and/or enjoy themselves. Most people don't come here to practice their skills in the courtroom.

    I doubt you invest hours, days, weeks or months into proving something just so you can say, "Ah ha. I gotcha." It just isn't worth it.

    In court someone's life is on the line or justice is on the line. In here we are just having a lot of fun. It isn't worth 40 or 50 hours to prove someone right or wrong in my opinion. Anybody who claims otherwise is a complete phoney.

    No I won't prove that. They already know they are lying and don't need me to tell them they are lying. I have never seen proof provided anywhere in these forums. Whenever someone pretends they are providing "proof" the "proof" is always dismissed as invalid. Demanding proof, evidence or facts is just an example of someone killing the discussion when it isn't going the way they want it. That's all it is. A demand for proof is an empty threat disguised as genuine inquiry.

    If someone really wanted proof they could find more reliable information on their own. That way you could trust the sources that you find credible and ignore the ones that someone else finds credible.

    If you want proof. Go get it. Don't beg for it like a little liar.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    It depends, logic arguments don't need proof. You show the logic is not sound or try to claim one of the premises is false by providing proof of your own against all the premises.

    Sometimes people try to pressure proof for a logic argument, just to derail/hack a thread.

    And a problem with the internet is you can provide "proof" that pigs fly....
    Yep you can...

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its your shorthand way of saying that you cannot prove anything. I understand it too well.

    The idea that you would use such a BS phrase in a discussion on people failing to provide evidence or proof is amazing as it is an indictment upon your own tactics and failings.

    YOu are NOT talking about somebody challenging you to prove the sun rises in the east or that it snows in Minnesota in January. So get real and stop the BS nonsense and start getting some backbone and prove your claims about me.
    Ah, you really do not understand judicial notice, then.

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I bet you do. Most people come here to relax, debate and/or enjoy themselves. Most people don't come here to practice their skills in the courtroom.

    I doubt you invest hours, days, weeks or months into proving something just so you can say, "Ah ha. I gotcha." It just isn't worth it.

    In court someone's life is on the line or justice is on the line. In here we are just having a lot of fun. It isn't worth 40 or 50 hours to prove someone right or wrong in my opinion. Anybody who claims otherwise is a complete phoney.

    No I won't prove that. They already know they are lying and don't need me to tell them they are lying. I have never seen proof provided anywhere in these forums. Whenever someone pretends they are providing "proof" the "proof" is always dismissed as invalid. Demanding proof, evidence or facts is just an example of someone killing the discussion when it isn't going the way they want it. That's all it is. A demand for proof is an empty threat disguised as genuine inquiry.

    If someone really wanted proof they could find more reliable information on their own. That way you could trust the sources that you find credible and ignore the ones that someone else finds credible.

    If you want proof. Go get it. Don't beg for it like a little liar.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I bet you do. Most people come here to relax, debate and/or enjoy themselves. Most people don't come here to practice their skills in the courtroom.

    I doubt you invest hours, days, weeks or months into proving something just so you can say, "Ah ha. I gotcha." It just isn't worth it.

    In court someone's life is on the line or justice is on the line. In here we are just having a lot of fun. It isn't worth 40 or 50 hours to prove someone right or wrong in my opinion. Anybody who claims otherwise is a complete phoney.

    No I won't prove that. They already know they are lying and don't need me to tell them they are lying. I have never seen proof provided anywhere in these forums. Whenever someone pretends they are providing "proof" the "proof" is always dismissed as invalid. Demanding proof, evidence or facts is just an example of someone killing the discussion when it isn't going the way they want it. That's all it is. A demand for proof is an empty threat disguised as genuine inquiry.

    If someone really wanted proof they could find more reliable information on their own. That way you could trust the sources that you find credible and ignore the ones that someone else finds credible.

    If you want proof. Go get it. Don't beg for it like a little liar.
    "In a court"???

    Now you are just being silly. We're talking about DP, here. Not a court.

    Anyway, you asked me a question. I gave you my answer. You really don't need to go off the deep end about it.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I bet you do. Most people come here to relax, debate and/or enjoy themselves. Most people don't come here to practice their skills in the courtroom.

    I doubt you invest hours, days, weeks or months into proving something just so you can say, "Ah ha. I gotcha." It just isn't worth it.

    In court someone's life is on the line or justice is on the line. In here we are just having a lot of fun. It isn't worth 40 or 50 hours to prove someone right or wrong in my opinion. Anybody who claims otherwise is a complete phoney.

    No I won't prove that. They already know they are lying and don't need me to tell them they are lying. I have never seen proof provided anywhere in these forums. Whenever someone pretends they are providing "proof" the "proof" is always dismissed as invalid. Demanding proof, evidence or facts is just an example of someone killing the discussion when it isn't going the way they want it. That's all it is. A demand for proof is an empty threat disguised as genuine inquiry.

    If someone really wanted proof they could find more reliable information on their own. That way you could trust the sources that you find credible and ignore the ones that someone else finds credible.

    If you want proof. Go get it. Don't beg for it like a little liar.
    Claiming that someone doesn't go out of their way to find proof without proof that they don't is like the pot calling the kettle black. No bueno.

    For some people finding proof is a way to relax and can be considered fun for the simple fact that they can also be teaching themselves as they may find something that they weren't aware of previously. I have spent hours looking for proof before just because it can be fun and i'm interested in the topic to begin with. Personally I won't try and find proof for something i'm not interested in, but if its a subject that I am interested in, yes, I'll spend hours and hours looking information up.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Well, aren't you the soothsayer expert on what everybody else says or knows!

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Ah, you really do not understand judicial notice, then.

    I see.
    I understand it too well.

    Judicial notice is a rule in the law of evidence that allows a fact to be introduced into evidence if the truth of that fact is so notorious or well known, or so authoritatively attested, that it cannot reasonably be doubted.

    Q - Where have your claims about me been "authoritatively tested"?
    A - Nowhere.


    It is you using a BS phrase which actually means you are impotent to present any actual evidence of your claims.

    Sorry but your intellectually fraudulent shortcut is flushed down the crapper with the rest of its ilk. And the fact that you would pull this reeking fetid dishonesty in a thread challenging people to prove their claims is irony times ten thousand.
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