View Poll Results: Is it appropriate to demand proof or facts on Debate Politics?

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  • Yes. We need the facts to make for fair discussion.

    41 61.19%
  • Yes. Some people make stuff up.

    24 35.82%
  • No. Demanding proof is a cop out or scare tactic.

    4 5.97%
  • No. Proof is for trials in court and irrelavent for debates.

    1 1.49%
  • Yes. Other.

    22 32.84%
  • No. Other.

    4 5.97%
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Judging from the exchange, he disagrees with you as to what, precisely, the "underlying foundation" is.
    Judging from the timing, I think you're a sock.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Judging from the exchange, he disagrees with you as to what, precisely, the "underlying foundation" is.
    I think it appears to be a lack of knowledge

    the founders believed in natural rights. They premised the constitution on that and intended a federal government limited to the specific powers delegated it. A conflict arose between the "federalists" and the anti federalists because one group wanted guarantees of the inalienable rights they all believed in and to them merely NOT delegating a power to the federal government was not enough to alleviate their fears. so the bill of rights was established and as the USSC noted in Cruikshank, the right to keep and bear arms pre-existed the Bill of rights and was merely recognized by it. the commerce clause says nothing about congress having power over retail commerce between individuals and FDR ignored the clear language of the CC to "find additional powers"

    this is all pretty much standard first year constitutional law stuff



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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Judging from the timing, I think you're a sock.
    He's been a member longer than me-9 plus years. same with me. so he's been a sock all those years and he finally shows up to support me

    can you address his arguments?



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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Uh - yeah - he proved nothing
    Thus you do not accept his proof, and he's asking why.

    "because I can" doesn't count as a counter, really..
    Education.

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Judging from the timing, I think you're a sock.
    Of whom?
    Education.

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    Re: Proof and Facts[W:76"283]

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

    From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

    What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?
    It depends if you want an educated opinion. Usually, in debate, you are looking for opinions with facts to back them up. Basing an opinion on facts makes it an educated one whether people agree with said opinion. Two sides can present facts and have different opinions. All debates should have two sides.

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    Re: Proof and Facts[W:76"283]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It depends if you want an educated opinion. Usually, in debate, you are looking for opinions with facts to back them up. Basing an opinion on facts makes it an educated one whether people agree with said opinion. Two sides can present facts and have different opinions. All debates should have two sides.
    some things should be only one sided

    resolved: ebola is something I don't want spreading in the USA

    is there a legitimate counter-argument?



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    Re: Proof and Facts[W:76"283]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    some things should be only one sided

    resolved: ebola is something I don't want spreading in the USA

    is there a legitimate counter-argument?
    Arguing for diseases to spread is really not an educated opinion unless one can back up why it is a good and/or even a worthy opinion.

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    Re: Proof and Facts[W:76"283]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Arguing for diseases to spread is really not an educated opinion unless one can back up why it is a good and/or even a worthy opinion.
    well if you hate america and want it to be plagued by a pestilence



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    Re: Proof and Facts[W:76"283]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well if you hate america and want it to be plagued by a pestilence
    Then, that is not based on educated facts and naturally can't be debated. People can have opinions based on bias, prejudice and or just plain hatred which makes for lousy debate.

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