View Poll Results: Is it appropriate to demand proof or facts on Debate Politics?

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  • Yes. We need the facts to make for fair discussion.

    41 61.19%
  • Yes. Some people make stuff up.

    24 35.82%
  • No. Demanding proof is a cop out or scare tactic.

    4 5.97%
  • No. Proof is for trials in court and irrelavent for debates.

    1 1.49%
  • Yes. Other.

    22 32.84%
  • No. Other.

    4 5.97%
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    this is a fundamental question about the entire foundation upon which are government was based upon

    do you believe that the founders set up a government that can expand its power by merely saying that the words the founders used now mean something different than what was obviously the case in 1790 or so?
    I've already challenged your assertion. Prove it.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I've already challenged your assertion. Prove it.
    No you have made a claim that the constitution is a Living document. You have failed to explain what that means or back it up.



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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    No you have made a claim that the constitution is a Living document. You have failed to explain what that means or back it up.
    Here's your assertion; post #401
    that doesn't address my point about the federal government and the dishonest expansion of the commerce clause does it?
    Prove it. By that I mean - get a credible and objective source proof to back up that ridiculous assertion.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Here's your assertion; post #401

    Prove it. By that I mean - get a credible and objective source proof to back up that ridiculous assertion.
    you are the one that claimed that the constitution is a living document and can be changed at will

    you admitted that the commerce clause was expanded and you supported that



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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are the one that claimed that the constitution is a living document and can be changed at will

    you admitted that the commerce clause was expanded and you supported that
    [b]the federal government and the dishonest expansion of the commerce clause does it?[b]
    That is the assertion I repsonded to. Now either back it up with a credible proof, or admit that you can't.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    That is the assertion I repsonded to. Now either back it up with a credible proof, or admit that you can't.
    you don't know what the founders intended?



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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you don't know what the founders intended?
    So I knew you couldn't prove it.

    The classic example of why proofs and evidence are important in debate discussion.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    So I knew you couldn't prove it.

    The classic example of why proofs and evidence are important in debate discussion.
    is it your position that the founders wanted restricted rights and expansive government powers?



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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    is it your position that the founders wanted restricted rights and expansive government powers?
    You lost the aregument dude. This thread is not about government powers. Start one. I'm not going to participate in derailing the thread.

    You have provided very convenient proof of why evidence and source proof are important in debate.

    Thank you very much.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You lost the aregument dude. This thread is not about government powers. Start one. I'm not going to participate in derailing the thread.

    You have provided very convenient proof of why evidence and source proof are important in debate.

    Thank you very much.
    you can proclaim I lost an argument all I want

    can you answer the question

    Here is why

    if you deny the question as to what the founders intended- you lose

    if you admit it, then you admit I proved the point



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