View Poll Results: Is it appropriate to demand proof or facts on Debate Politics?

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  • Yes. We need the facts to make for fair discussion.

    41 61.19%
  • Yes. Some people make stuff up.

    24 35.82%
  • No. Demanding proof is a cop out or scare tactic.

    4 5.97%
  • No. Proof is for trials in court and irrelavent for debates.

    1 1.49%
  • Yes. Other.

    22 32.84%
  • No. Other.

    4 5.97%
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I'd like some actual proof and some actual facts
    Different from the previous proof and facts you have been repeatedly given and facts that you have repeatedly rejected?
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What does the first part mean and what are you asking the person to give up?
    You don't know what the right to life means? Wow. Well, now it's a bit more obvious why you are confused. Again, for the audience:

    The right to life is the right to choose whether to live or die. Someone that sacrifices themself for others, for example on a battlefield, has exercised their right to life even as they choose to die.

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Different from the previous proof and facts you have been repeatedly given and facts that you have repeatedly rejected?
    When everyone rejects it because there is no logical foundation, it doesn't count as proof. Again we are in CT Land, where the person screams over and over that the planes were holograms and that they have provided proof.

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You don't know what the right to life means? Wow. Well, now it's a bit more obvious why you are confused. Again, for the audience:

    The right to life is the right to choose whether to live or die. Someone that sacrifices themself for others, for example on a battlefield, has exercised their right to life even as they choose to die.
    Life is something you simply have because you are born. IT is not a right. So the way your question reads, you are asking a person to give up their life.

    then there is your second half of your question

    would I give up my right to life in order to take it away from all others".
    So you have no right over other lives so you are asking if I can take away their lives of everyone else. Killing the entire population would be everyone else.

    So what you question says is would you give up your own life to take everybody elses life. And that is sheer nonsense which makes no sense.

    And I have no idea how that sort of nonsense question is suppose to prove that natural rights exist outside of a belief system.
    Last edited by haymarket; 11-03-14 at 12:25 AM.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    When everyone rejects it because there is no logical foundation, it doesn't count as proof.
    EVERYONE!?!?!?!?!? Who exactly is EVERYONE??????
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Life is something you simply have because you are born. IT is not a right. So the way your question reads, you are asking a person to give up their life.
    really?



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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    EVERYONE!?!?!?!?!? Who exactly is EVERYONE??????
    everyone who has read it from what I have seen



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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Life is something you simply have because you are born. IT is not a right. So the way your question reads, you are asking a person to give up their life.
    Didn't I just explain that the right is to choose?


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    EVERYONE!?!?!?!?!? Who exactly is EVERYONE??????
    No need to scream. Everyone means everyone. If you can find someone that supports your wacky CT narrative, produce them. Otherwise, you're completely alone on a board of hundreds or thousands of people. Even the mild Truthers have more support.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really?
    Yes -as he asks his question - that is indeed it.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Didn't I just explain that the right is to choose?



    Your question does not say that and it took you a couple of days to come up with that different explanation. The fault seems to be in the way you wrote your question.
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