View Poll Results: Is it appropriate to demand proof or facts on Debate Politics?

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  • Yes. We need the facts to make for fair discussion.

    41 61.19%
  • Yes. Some people make stuff up.

    24 35.82%
  • No. Demanding proof is a cop out or scare tactic.

    4 5.97%
  • No. Proof is for trials in court and irrelavent for debates.

    1 1.49%
  • Yes. Other.

    22 32.84%
  • No. Other.

    4 5.97%
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    this isn't HS Debate with a trophy. its about your proof that the other clauses support your claim and btw there is no evidence the CC was intended by the founders as a grant of gun control. can you find ANY EVIDENCE the founders wanted the CC to be so used
    Yes, the US Constitution itself.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Really?
    Can you explain what this means and what it has to do with a scientific proof that natural rights exist?

    We can ask ourselves the question: "would I give up my right to life in order to take it away from all others".
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes, the US Constitution itself.
    that requires us to accept your interpretation. that is not a proof nor a fact



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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that requires us to accept your interpretation. that is not a proof nor a fact
    As I have said repeatedly, I do not care who here accepts or rejects my view. The Supreme COurt has accepted Article I Section 8 in the area of firearms regulation and that is all that counts.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can you explain what this means and what it has to do with a scientific proof that natural rights exist?
    Sure, for the audience.

    The survey conducted can be repeated any number of times with any number of samples and the results are always the same. Humans, as a result of empathy, create these social objects universally. This proves that the social object is natural, that is - not dependent upon authority, the result of natural social relations.

    We don't need an authority to confirm this, we are aware of natural rights as a matter of being human, it is inalienable from the species. Natural rights exist, even if they are not observed by, or are violated by, authority. Of course, natural rights can be violated justly, not only unjustly.

    It's important that we remember: inalienable does not equal inviolable. It means inseparable from humanity, not from an individual.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As I have said repeatedly, I do not care who here accepts or rejects my view. The Supreme COurt has accepted Article I Section 8 in the area of firearms regulation and that is all that counts.
    and how that does that prove what the founders intended? you have claimed that the founders clearly intended federal gun control



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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sure, for the audience.

    The survey conducted can be repeated any number of times with any number of samples and the results are always the same. Humans, as a result of empathy, create these natural social objects universally. This proves that the social object is natural, that is - not dependent upon authority, the result of natural social relations.
    You did not explain your question. your question is nonsense.

    "would I give up my right to life in order to take it away from all others".
    What does the first part mean and what are you asking the person to give up?

    What does the second part mean and what is the person suppose to be taking away from all others?

    And what does the first part have to do with the second part?
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and how that does that prove what the founders intended? you have claimed that the founders clearly intended federal gun control
    Do you want a different answer than the one you have been given many many times and have rejected it many many times?
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you want a different answer than the one you have been given many many times and have rejected it many many times?
    I'd like some actual proof and some actual facts



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