View Poll Results: Is it appropriate to demand proof or facts on Debate Politics?

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  • Yes. We need the facts to make for fair discussion.

    41 61.19%
  • Yes. Some people make stuff up.

    24 35.82%
  • No. Demanding proof is a cop out or scare tactic.

    4 5.97%
  • No. Proof is for trials in court and irrelavent for debates.

    1 1.49%
  • Yes. Other.

    22 32.84%
  • No. Other.

    4 5.97%
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    While others simply want some verifiable evidence when you make a claim of alleged fact. But some here have an aversion to verifiable evidence like a rotting leper has to high winds.
    Some here never believe anything placed in front of them. But let's welcome you to the poll section, you wandered out of your usual gun zone to be with us here today. That's a big step.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Some here never believe anything placed in front of them. But let's welcome you to the poll section, you wandered out of your usual gun zone to be with us here today. That's a big step.
    Usual gun zone!?!?!?!? What does that mean? Unlike some of your fellow gun fanatics who are dogged single issue posters - I post in many different areas of this board. But feel free to post evidence otherwise.

    Oh wait - there it is again... that pesky demand for evidence.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can you provide one example where I failed to provide evidence on a claim of fact? Or was this just a cheap shot opportunity to get in a fifth grade level insult?
    Judicial notice.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Judicial notice.
    Which is your way of saying you really do NOT have a clue nor can you back up your mouth with any verifiable evidence. Your so called "judicial notice" is crap. Its just BS for avoiding any actual evidence in favor of saying yoru fellow true believers share you own biases and they too will not present verifiable evidence.

    You remind me of that scene in PRINCESS BRIDE where Mandy Patankin tells his boss that he keeps misusing a term that does not mean what he thinks it means.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Usual gun zone!?!?!?!? What does that mean? Unlike some of your fellow gun fanatics who are dogged single issue posters - I post in many different areas of this board. But feel free to post evidence otherwise.

    Oh wait - there it is again... that pesky demand for evidence.
    I never see you elsewhere, guess you like the gun zone.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I never see you elsewhere, guess you like the gun zone.
    Like I said - feel free to post the evidence of your claim. Its rather appropriate in a thread like this to see you unable to do it.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Really?!?!?!? Then why can't people provide verifiable evidence for a claim that "pre-existing natural rights" actually existed before the Constitution or state constitutions anywhere outside of a self imposed belief?
    see that's a logical argument... no proof needed, you may or may-not agree with the logic, but it comes from under the assumption of a creator.

    If you don't agree with the assumption, then you arn't really in the discussion in the first place.... you are then just debating on whether there is a creator or not.... which is separate discussion all together.

    Whether there is a creator or not can also be argued purely from logical derivation and not proof as well.... you may disagree with the logical derivation.... but essentially this can all be a discussion without proof, just reason.... philosopher's do it all the time.

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    see that's a logical argument... no proof needed, you may or may-not agree with the logic, but it comes from under the assumption of a creator.

    If you don't agree with the assumption, then you arn't really in the discussion in the first place.... you are then just debating on whether there is a creator or not.... which is separate discussion all together.

    Whether there is a creator or not can also be argued purely from logical derivation and not proof as well.... you may disagree with the logical derivation.... but essentially this can all be a discussion without proof, just reason.... philosopher's do it all the time.
    He doesn't believe in natural rights, because under the theory of the founders they cannot be infringed upon, and all case not without due process specific to an individual.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which is your way of saying you really do NOT have a clue nor can you back up your mouth with any verifiable evidence. Your so called "judicial notice" is crap. Its just BS for avoiding any actual evidence in favor of saying yoru fellow true believers share you own biases and they too will not present verifiable evidence.

    You remind me of that scene in PRINCESS BRIDE where Mandy Patankin tells his boss that he keeps misusing a term that does not mean what he thinks it means.
    So you do not understand the phrase?
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Like I said - feel free to post the evidence of your claim. Its rather appropriate in a thread like this to see you unable to do it.
    Snort!

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