View Poll Results: Is it appropriate to demand proof or facts on Debate Politics?

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  • Yes. We need the facts to make for fair discussion.

    41 61.19%
  • Yes. Some people make stuff up.

    24 35.82%
  • No. Demanding proof is a cop out or scare tactic.

    4 5.97%
  • No. Proof is for trials in court and irrelavent for debates.

    1 1.49%
  • Yes. Other.

    22 32.84%
  • No. Other.

    4 5.97%
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    What are you saying? That you ignore and discredit their proof no matter what?
    Sometimes I ignore or discredit provided proof...but not "no matter what". If their "proof" doesn't actually provide any facts...or if it is obvious that their proof is nothing more than spun facts...then I am inclined to ignore or discredit.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Many sites required a link or don't bother. Otherwise it's just a vanity. IMHO
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

    From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

    What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?
    If an opinion is formed based on lies, then that opinion is less valid than the opinion of someone who has taken the time to learn the facts about a subject and formed their opinion based on that.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    It is quality I think about. If a story breaks in some small town and hits the blogosphere as an outrage piece, I try to go to a local source first, then variants of national news. I have a hierarcy of trusted sources up from there, and often it depends on what the subject is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Sometimes I ignore or discredit provided proof...but not "no matter what". If their "proof" doesn't actually provide any facts...or if it is obvious that their proof is nothing more than spun facts...then I am inclined to ignore or discredit.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Sometimes I ignore or discredit provided proof...but not "no matter what". If their "proof" doesn't actually provide any facts...or if it is obvious that their proof is nothing more than spun facts...then I am inclined to ignore or discredit.
    Do you ever provide counter proof?

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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    It depends, logic arguments don't need proof. You show the logic is not sound or try to claim one of the premises is false by providing proof of your own against all the premises.

    Sometimes people try to pressure proof for a logic argument, just to derail/hack a thread.

    And a problem with the internet is you can provide "proof" that pigs fly....
    Really?!?!?!? Then why can't people provide verifiable evidence for a claim that "pre-existing natural rights" actually existed before the Constitution or state constitutions anywhere outside of a self imposed belief?
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Oh no, some people expect peer reviewed papers.
    While others simply want some verifiable evidence when you make a claim of alleged fact. But some here have an aversion to verifiable evidence like a rotting leper has to high winds.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    While others simply want some verifiable evidence when you make a claim of alleged fact. But some here have an aversion to verifiable evidence like a rotting leper has to high winds.
    That would be you blowing in the wind.
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    Re: Proof and Facts

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    That would be you blowing in the wind.
    Can you provide one example where I failed to provide evidence on a claim of fact? Or was this just a cheap shot opportunity to get in a fifth grade level insult?
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