The military budget of the United States

jamesrage said:

The rest of the world is not our business.**** Iraq,**** Afghanistan and all those other countries. I didn't say **** would be fine if we stayed out of everyone else's business.If we are attacked then we bomb the living **** out that country,cripple it and leave them to their own devices. Just because some **** happens in another country does not mean we need to come in like Captiain Save a Hoe.I value the lives of our countrymen over the lives of foreigners in other countries.

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We are being attacked, daily! China is attacking our computer systems, our financial system and is pushing the buttons of our allies by sailing its ships thru their waters. North Korea has been threatening to nuke the USA for decades, and is slowly gaining the capability to do so. They are also hacking our systems and slowing them down. They have kidnaped American Citizens from inside China and S.Korea. Russia is holding on to a spy who has leaked information that could be damaging the US National Security. We still are not certain what information he may have turned over to the Russians in order to let him stay in their country. Russia is also known to place spies within our country to gather information. They still have a LOT more nuked then we do and still have them pointed at us. None of these things are things I am just imagining. We are attacked every day!!! The only reason these attacks are not more serious then they are is because we have forward operating locations that allow us to strike them before they can strike us militarily. Without them, there would be no deterent.

Are you a grunt or are you a pog?

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Not going to discuss my military credentials. Especially with everything that is going on.

Capster78 said:

We are being attacked, daily! China is attacking our computer systems, our financial system and is pushing the buttons of our allies by sailing its ships thru their waters.

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Thank the republicans with their lips on the dicks of business owners for conning Clintin into signing a trade treaty with China. What the **** did they think China was going to do with all that tax revenue from outsourced businesses? Did they think China was going to spend that tax revenue on the poor? Did they think China was going to cure aids in Africa?**** no.China will do what every other country that has the finances to do so, they will increase their military might.

North Korea has been threatening to nuke the USA for decades, and is slowly gaining the capability to do so.
They are also hacking our systems and slowing them down. They have kidnaped American Citizens from inside China and S.Korea.

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Which is the result of our interference in WWII and splitting up a country.

Russia is holding on to a spy who has leaked information that could be damaging the US National Security. We still are not certain what information he may have turned over to the Russians in order to let him stay in their country.

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You mean the guy who revealed that piece of **** lower dirt **** sucking traitors in office are spying on the American people?

Russia is also known to place spies within our country to gather information.

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We are doing the same to them.

They still have a LOT more nuked then we do and still have them pointed at us.

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I am pretty sure we have nukes pointed at them.

None of these things are things I am just imagining. We are attacked every day!!! The only reason these attacks are not more serious then they are is because we have forward operating locations that allow us to strike them before they can strike us militarily. Without them, there would be no deterrent

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Yes keep spewing the neocon globalist/internationalist lie that we need to keep interfering with everyone elses business.

Not going to discuss my military credentials. Especially with everything that is going on.

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So you are a pog.

Poiuy said:

The problem with your statement is that having troops stationed in other countries defendes our contry by making sure other countries do not invade our allies.

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Whether or not someone does or doesn't invades our "allies" does not prevent another country from invading or attacking our country.

The same goes with providing equipment to our allies, it helps us increasing to strenght of our allies so they do not rely on us in and acual wartime situation.

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We do not have to defend them.This is what neocons and internationalists/globalists don't understand.

It is espesialy important to have troops in Korea, to detire Nourth Korea, and in Japan to detire CHina from invading Japan.

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I could care less if China invades Japan or if North Korea invades South Korea.

jamesrage said:

Thank the republicans with their lips on the dicks of business owners for conning Clintin into signing a trade treaty with China. What the **** did they think China was going to do with all that tax revenue from outsourced businesses? Did they think China was going to spend that tax revenue on the poor? Did they think China was going to cure aids in Africa?**** no.China will do what every other country that has the finances to do so, they will increase their military might.

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Actually, signing China into a trade agreeming and getting them involved in the international economy has probably done a lot to at least delay China's militaristic actions to get back at Japan after WW2. The Chinese are still very dependent on the international economy to grow itself militarily. The danger is, if China ever becomes anything like the US which it will in probably 20 years. Once it commands a good portion of the international economy, it can start pulling economic strings like we have been doing for the last 100 years to get what they want. The US is fairly benign in comparison to what China would be in our shoes. China would quickly invade Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and the Philippines. Then use those locations as forward operationg locations to expand further. Right now china is, for the most part, locked in by Taiwan. The minute they get a substantial Navy, they will command the Pacific.

Which is the result of our interference in WWII and splitting up a country.

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Why did we split up the country? AHHH!! Because of liberalist anti-war who continually protested the war. The politicians wanted to get re-elected, so instead of pushing the Chinese and the N.Koreans all the way back to the Chinese boarder, we stopped at the 38th parallel and left millions of Koreans at the hands of a dictator that to this day cares more about his imported liquor then feeding them. That debacle was entirely our fault. Not because we got involved, but because we did not have the resolve to finish the fight.

You mean the guy who revealed that piece of **** lower dirt **** sucking traitors in office are spying on the American people?

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Ah.. the tin foil pointy headed conspiracy theory that people have that the US govt cares about their boring mundane life. It certainly makes some really insane boring people feel important. Some people just are not complete unless some kind of government conspiracy is going on that makes them feel special because their lives are so boring and purposeless, government conspiracies gives them purpose. What other reason would there be for drinking beers and shooting at stuff in the woods.. playing soldier and screaming MERICA!!!

We are doing the same to them.

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And they would be doing it to us even if we were not doing it to them.

I am pretty sure we have nukes pointed at them.

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Of course, the difference is that people like you would be ok with them having nukes pointed at us while we destroy all of ours.

Yes keep spewing the neocon globalist/internationalist lie that we need to keep interfering with everyone elses business.

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And you keep spewing idealist garbage strait from a Disney movie. The only difference between you and Barney is your not a purple dinosaur.

Whatever it is now? Half that.

ChezC3 said:

Whatever it is now? Half that.

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If that is what the US citizenry wants, I will definitely get out of the military and move to another country. I don't want to be part of the United States of France.

Capster78 said:

If that is what the US citizenry wants, I will definitely get out of the military and move to another country. I don't want to be part of the United States of France.

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France has the Foreign Legion and knows how to take care of its vets...

ChezC3 said:

France has the Foreign Legion and knows how to take care of its vets...

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yep, and if we halved the US military budget, you would have to hire homeless people to work for it.

Greg. said:

In 2013 the United States spending 640 billion dollars to the military budget.

What do you think about this number?

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$1 Trillion more per year than we spend on welfare and social programs.

Greg. said:

In 2013 the United States spending 640 billion dollars to the military budget.

What do you think about this number?

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Like all government programs, there is a tremendous amount of waste that could be eliminated.


At least defense is a valid Constitutional function though....

jamesrage said:

Are you a grunt or are you a pog?

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:shrug: I went to war as a grunt. How does that impact whether or not wrecking the international order upon which our economy is utterly dependent is a wise idea or not?

cpwill said:

:shrug: I went to war as a grunt. How does that impact whether or not wrecking the international order upon which our economy is utterly dependent is a wise idea or not?

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The individual whose post I was quoting claimed he was in the military in response to a post of mine saying that **** sucking piece of **** neocons,globalist/internationalist and other piece of **** scum who think we should meddle in the affairs of other countries should be should immediately be drafted to serve as a E-1 private in a infantry unit as a machine gunner.That individual said it would not be that hard for him since he was already in the military. Which is why I asked if he was POG or grunt. He refused to answer meaning he was too ashamed to admit he is a pog.

Capster78 said:

Actually, signing China into a trade agreeming and getting them involved in the international economy has probably done a lot to at least delay China's militaristic actions to get back at Japan after WW2.

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Our trade deal with China has stregthened it militarily.

The Chinese are still very dependent on the international economy to grow itself militarily. The danger is, if China ever becomes anything like the US which it will in probably 20 years. Once it commands a good portion of the international economy, it can start pulling economic strings like we have been doing for the last 100 years to get what they want.

The US is fairly benign in comparison to what China would be in our shoes. China would quickly invade Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and the Philippines. Then use those locations as forward operationg locations to expand further. Right now china is, for the most part, locked in by Taiwan. The minute they get a substantial Navy, they will command the Pacific.

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Those things would not be possible if traitors did not give jobs away to the Chinese.

Why did we split up the country? AHHH!! Because of liberalist anti-war who continually protested the war. The politicians wanted to get re-elected, so instead of pushing the Chinese and the N.Koreans all the way back to the Chinese boarder, we stopped at the 38th parallel and left millions of Koreans at the hands of a dictator that to this day cares more about his imported liquor then feeding them. That debacle was entirely our fault. Not because we got involved, but because we did not have the resolve to finish the fight.

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It because we got involved why North Korea is the way it is now.Heck if we did not side with the Chinese in WWII then they would not have been able to help North Korea.

Ah.. the tin foil pointy headed conspiracy theory that people have that the US govt cares about their boring mundane life. It certainly makes some really insane boring people feel important. Some people just are not complete unless some kind of government conspiracy is going on that makes them feel special because their lives are so boring and purposeless, government conspiracies gives them purpose. What other reason would there be for drinking beers and shooting at stuff in the woods.. playing soldier and screaming MERICA!!!

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You think the government spying on American citizens is a conspiracy? I guess it shows that you would rather be a subject than a citizen since you insist of pushing the lie that the government does not do those things.

And they would be doing it to us even if we were not doing it to them.



Of course, the difference is that people like you would be ok with them having nukes pointed at us while we destroy all of ours.

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As long as other countries have nukes I am perfectly okay with our country having nukes and having those nukes pointed at other countries.

And you keep spewing idealist garbage strait from a Disney movie. The only difference between you and Barney is your not a purple dinosaur.

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The only idealists are you people who think the USA should be meddle in the affairs of other countries that will somehow protect us.

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jamesrage said:

The individual whose post I was quoting claimed he was in the military in response to a post of mine saying that **** sucking piece of **** neocons,globalist/internationalist and other piece of **** scum who think we should meddle in the affairs of other countries should be should immediately be drafted to serve as a E-1 private in a infantry unit as a machine gunner.That individual said it would not be that hard for him since he was already in the military. Which is why I asked if he was POG or grunt. He refused to answer meaning he was too ashamed to admit he is a pog.

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Yeah, I get that you think you've scored a moral point because you don't think he's a grunt (incidentally, grunts are not the only people patrolling or getting shot at and shot back, but that's a different discussion), but the problem is it doesn't follow. Whether or not he is a grunt has zero bearing on whether or not the policy he is ascribing here is wise.

As for the "pieces of scum" etc., well, in the finest traditions of the infantry, my reply would have to be: "Go **** yourself". If all you have is bile and the ability to bitch like a private, then sucks to be you, haul ass over to the working party .

Whatever it takes and not a penny more.
More significant is eliminating political ramifications. The Pentagon is the one to decide not some congress critter worried about military spending.

cpwill said:

Yeah, I get that you think you've scored a moral point because you don't think he's a grunt (incidentally, grunts are not the only people patrolling or getting shot at and shot back, but that's a different discussion), but the problem is it doesn't follow. Whether or not he is a grunt has zero bearing on whether or not the policy he is ascribing here is wise.

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If you are the one actually having to do the fighting and risk your life then you might think twice before screaming like a piece of **** neocon that we should invade,send in troops, why is Obama saying we shouldn't send in troops.Sure there are some insane wackos who think the lives of foreigners, business and foreign interest are worth more than the lives of their fellow Americans.But most Americans are not like that like that **** sucker John McCain.

Greg. said:

In 2013 the United States spending 640 billion dollars to the military budget.

What do you think about this number?

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I think we should cut welfare spending by 50% per year and use it to build and maintain a huge pierce proof dome over the United States to protect us against invasion, ebola outbreaks and nuclear attack. Of course it would need to be at lease 35,000/40,000 feet high to accommodate air traffic inside the dome.

HogWash said:

I think we should cut welfare spending by 50% per year and use it to build and maintain a huge pierce proof dome over the United States to protect us against invasion, ebola outbreaks and nuclear attack. Of course it would need to be at lease 35,000/40,000 feet high to accommodate air traffic inside the dome.

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That would cost way more than half the welfare budget per year.

jamesrage said:

Our trade deal with China has stregthened it militarily.

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Thats true, but their military is tied very close to its economy, and that is much easier for us to attack then their military. All we would do is sanction them. There are to many very rich influencial people in the Chinese government who would suffer greatly if the US just decided to stop doing business with China. We have basically created a trump card we can use any time we like. Certainly, it would come at a cost to our own economy as well, but we would survive in the end and ultimately prevent war with China which would be even more costly then if we just sanctioned them.

It because we got involved why North Korea is the way it is now.Heck if we did not side with the Chinese in WWII then they would not have been able to help North Korea.

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If we had not sided with the Chinese during WW2, then Japan would have succeeded in invading China and would have had nearly a billion more bodies to throw into the war as well as slave labor to keep the efforts going. The rape of Nanking would have seemed like a vacation for the Chinese if we had not sided with them when we did. In fact, I believe, Hitlers genocide would have paled in comparison to the genocide that would have occurred if Japan had been allowed to control China for any period of time.

You think the government spying on American citizens is a conspiracy? I guess it shows that you would rather be a subject than a citizen since you insist of pushing the lie that the government does not do those things.

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Yes I do. Why does the government care about people who are just living mundane day to day lives? It would be a waste of resources the government does not have to spy on everyone. That does not even mention that it would be nearly impossible to make sense of any useful data just due to the amount of data that would be generated from spying on all 300+ million americans.

The only idealists are you people who think the USA should be meddle in the affairs of other countries that will somehow protect us.

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Anyone who reads even a few pages of a history book understands that in order to be a world power, you HAVE to meddle in international affairs. The lesson to be learned is how to use restraint. Which the US seems to understand, but does not understand that there is a such thing as to much restraint.

HogWash said:

I think we should cut welfare spending by 50% per year and use it to build and maintain a huge pierce proof dome over the United States to protect us against invasion, ebola outbreaks and nuclear attack. Of course it would need to be at lease 35,000/40,000 feet high to accommodate air traffic inside the dome.

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I agree. Corporate Welfare to the likes of GE, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing, JPMorgan, BofA, Goldman Sachs,ExxonMobil, Chevron, and all the other Welfare Queens of the Military Industrial Corporate Complex needs to be eliminated completely. The War Hawks are killing our Nation with their greed.

DaveFagan said:

I agree. Corporate Welfare to the likes of GE, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing, JPMorgan, BofA, Goldman Sachs,ExxonMobil, Chevron, and all the other Welfare Queens of the Military Industrial Corporate Complex needs to be eliminated completely. The War Hawks are killing our Nation with their greed.

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That too...and the peace loving democrats are killing it with their generosity with the taxpayers' money by giving it to freeloading lazy ass Americans and illegal aliens in order TO BUY THEIR VOTES. The democrats also participated with the War Hawks with the likes of GE, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing, JPMorgan, BofA, Goldman Sachs,ExxonMobil, Chevron, and all the other Welfare Queens of the Military Industrial Corporate Complex. Remember when those turkeys were anxious as hell to go to war with Saddam Hussein, even while Clinton was the nations elected lover boy? And then participated in the implementation of the IRAQ war by JOINT (that means BOTH PARTIES) RESOLUTION OF CONGRESS....then denied it when the president Bush did it?

If you don't remember, let me refresh your memory.



And then there was that whole global warming scam and the wasted billions/trillions? of our tax money on the BANKRUPT "renewable energy" companies such as Solyndra and others. Harry Reid and his liberal cronies. Harry also is one of the WAR HAWKS who voted YEA on the JOINT RESOLUTION.

One more post about 'war hawks'...

Capster78 said:

Thats true, but their military is tied very close to its economy, and that is much easier for us to attack then their military. All we would do is sanction them. There are to many very rich influencial people in the Chinese government who would suffer greatly if the US just decided to stop doing business with China. We have basically created a trump card we can use any time we like. Certainly, it would come at a cost to our own economy as well, but we would survive in the end and ultimately prevent war with China which would be even more costly then if we just sanctioned them.

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The Chinese will just find someone else to buy their goods.This globalist hogwash that if we tie each other in trade then we won't fight is just globalist hogwash,especially if that trade is mostly in one direction.

If we had not sided with the Chinese during WW2, then Japan would have succeeded in invading China and would have had nearly a billion more bodies to throw into the war as well as slave labor to keep the efforts going. The rape of Nanking would have seemed like a vacation for the Chinese if we had not sided with them when we did. In fact, I believe, Hitlers genocide would have paled in comparison to the genocide that would have occurred if Japan had been allowed to control China for any period of time.

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What happens to citizens of other countries is not our business. Nor are the lives of citizens in other countries worth more than ours.

Yes I do. Why does the government care about people who are just living mundane day to day lives? It would be a waste of resources the government does not have to spy on everyone. That does not even mention that it would be nearly impossible to make sense of any useful data just due to the amount of data that would be generated from spying on all 300+ million americans.

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The government spends money like a drunken trophy whore wife.So the government is not worried about running our of resources.

Anyone who reads even a few pages of a history book understands that in order to be a world power, you HAVE to meddle in international affairs. The lesson to be learned is how to use restraint. Which the US seems to understand, but does not understand that there is a such thing as to much restraint.

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If meddling in the affairs is what it takes for us to be world power then I do not want us to be a world power. We do not need to make the world our bitch.

jamesrage said:

The Chinese will just find someone else to buy their goods.This globalist hogwash that if we tie each other in trade then we won't fight is just globalist hogwash,especially if that trade is mostly in one direction.

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The US is the largest economy on the planet. The chinese could not find a replacement for the US. That was the whole point in folding the Chinese into the international economy. We knew that once the elite chinese got a taste of western capitalism, they would never turn back. Especially since it free's them from the government. Instead of having to repeat and live by the government propaganda in order to stay in the elite class, they can do business with the government independent of the government. They have the ability to expand their business beyond China without being nationalized by the government. This penetration of the elite class by the capitalist system is exactly what has produced peace in the Pacific.

What happens to citizens of other countries is not our business. Nor are the lives of citizens in other countries worth more than ours.

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Yes it is. Our economy relies on how citizens in other countries are doing. If they are all at war, we have no trading partners. Or, we loose trading partners due to changing alliances. There is a constant economic war going on where countries try to bribe and or influence elections and voting in order to get a person in charge that will be friendly to them economically. The world you want to live in, simply does not exist and has never existed in human history.

The government spends money like a drunken trophy whore wife.So the government is not worried about running our of resources.

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It spends money on things people want. People dont want to pay taxes, but want the government to pay for everything for them. You may not want that, I may not want that, but the voters want that because they keep voting people in who put them in power just so they can get more from the government then they put into it.

If meddling in the affairs is what it takes for us to be world power then I do not want us to be a world power. We do not need to make the world our bitch.

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You might want to buy your own island in some remote part of the ocean and start growing your own food, providing your own resources. There is not 1 country on the planet that is not playing the game. We just happen to play it best at the moment. However, that is been on the decline for many decades and we are starting to see the result of that.

jamesrage said:

If you are the one actually having to do the fighting and risk your life then you might think twice before screaming like a piece of **** neocon that we should invade,send in troops, why is Obama saying we shouldn't send in troops.Sure there are some insane wackos who think the lives of foreigners, business and foreign interest are worth more than the lives of their fellow Americans.But most Americans are not like that like that **** sucker John McCain.

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So.... the guy you are claiming understands what it's like to risk your life in combat is Barack Obama, whereas the guy who you are saying doesn't is John McCain.....


Yeah.... you may want to rethink your logic, there.