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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    And more of it is being wasted funding the USA's military/industrialcomplex which President Eisenhower warned us about in a famous speech.

    The USA spends more on preparations for war than all of its enemies combined. A lot of that money is wasted and could be better spent on other things.
    A) The Majority of Defense Spending is either on personnel, or the gear that keeps said personnel alive in Combat.

    B) You don't determine defense spending by picking a number - that is idiotic. You determine defense spending by establishing your mission set and working backwards to figure out what you need.

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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Anyway. Given that the premise of the question is dumb, I went ahead and voted 900 Bn + on the theory that all former and current active duty Marines should get a $100,000 bonus For Being Awesome.

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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Can't pick an exact number, it doesn't work that way.

    I think the fact that DHS and VA are counted separately is something to consider.
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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is what internationalist/globalist, neocon and other pieces of **** want people to believe.That somehow if we are not sticking our noses into everyone else's business that the world will go to hell in a hand-basket and that will eventually effect us.
    It's ignorant people who believe that no one else will step in and take our place. Again, people on your side of the fence are ignorant as to how geopolitics works. If we were not involved in Japan and Korea, China would be. If we were not involved in the ME, Russia would be. Imagine what kind of leverage they would have over international policy if they were the ones calling the shots in those parts of the world. If that were the case, We would have gone the way the USSR went. Without getting involved in geopolitics, there would have been no way we would have defeated Russia during the cold war. Its not that I want people to BELIEVE what I am saying, because there is plenty of historical evidence to back up what I am saying. People like you have to prove that if we were to remove ourselves from the world stage that China, Russia, India and Japan could be trusted to take our place. To believe that no one will fill that vacume is as ignorant as ignorant can be.

    Our defense should only be focused on defending our country from inside the US, not other countries, here.Our troops should be here in the US defending our borders and waters, not inside other countries.If another country attacks our country.Then our policy should be to bomb the living **** out of it and cripple it.No more this nonsense of rebuilding or trying to stabilize countries that attack us.
    That's the problem, its not the 16th century anymore where defending your boarders is a viable national defense strategy. The US can be attacked without even crossing the Atlantic or Pacific. Even back then, any military leader that knew anything about defense knows that there is no such thing as an inpenetrable fort. The worst possible defense strategy to have is to allow an enemy to come anywhere close to your boarder and be able to lob munitions into it. Our defense strategy is pre-emptive and ensures that if someone wants to confront us, they will confront us on THEIR soil, not ours. If they want to fight us, it is their military and their citizenry that will suffer, not ours.

    We have already made HUGE mistakes even entertaining people who hold your views. People who hold your views are DIRECTLY responsible for every major war we have lost since WW2. Also, they are directly responsible for the lives lost due to the wishy washyness of American forign policy. LETS GO TO WAR!!!! ARGGHHH... uh wait... a guy got killed... RETREAT!!!!.. I think we should ship all the anti-war and isolationists to france where they could live a much happier life.
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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    It's ignorant people who believe that no one else will step in and take our place. Again, people on your side of the fence are ignorant as to how geopolitics works. If we were not involved in Japan and Korea, China would be. If we were not involved in the ME, Russia would be. Imagine what kind of leverage they would have over international policy if they were the ones calling the shots in those parts of the world. If that were the case, We would have gone the way the USSR went. Without getting involved in geopolitics, there would have been no way we would have defeated Russia during the cold war. Its not that I want people to BELIEVE what I am saying, because there is plenty of historical evidence to back up what I am saying. People like you have to prove that if we were to remove ourselves from the world stage that China, Russia, India and Japan could be trusted to take our place. To believe that no one will fill that vacume is as ignorant as ignorant can be.



    That's the problem, its not the 16th century anymore where defending your boarders is a viable national defense strategy. The US can be attacked without even crossing the Atlantic or Pacific. Even back then, any military leader that knew anything about defense knows that there is no such thing as an inpenetrable fort. The worst possible defense strategy to have is to allow an enemy to come anywhere close to your boarder and be able to lob munitions into it. Our defense strategy is pre-emptive and ensures that if someone wants to confront us, they will confront us on THEIR soil, not ours. If they want to fight us, it is their military and their citizenry that will suffer, not ours.

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    Yes keep spewing the globalist/internationalist, neocon and other piece of **** lies. What goes on outside of America's borders is none of our business.



    We have already made HUGE mistakes even entertaining people who hold your views. People who hold your views are DIRECTLY responsible for every major war we have lost since WW2. Also, they are directly responsible for the lives lost due to the wishy washyness of American forign policy. LETS GO TO WAR!!!! ARGGHHH... uh wait... a guy got killed... RETREAT!!!!.
    This interventionism is what got us into this mess in the first place.WWI for example is a result of no one minding their own ****ing business.Which resulted in WWII. Our involvement in WWII was a result of the US not minding it's own business by trying to scold Japan by imposing trade sanctions on it.Korean war and Vietnam was a result of the US not minding it's own business because we had to stop them thar e-vile commies from taking over. The nonsense going on in the middle east is a result of our government installing puppet dictators so we can get their oil.

    I think we should ship all the anti-war and isolationists to france where they could live a much happier life.
    I think every noecon pieces of **** trying push us into another war or into some other country's business should immediately be drafted to serve as a E-1 private in a infantry unit as a machine gunner. Maybe then those piece of **** neocons and other globalist/internationalist scum won't be so eager to push us into another interventionist war.
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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes keep spewing the globalist/internationalist, neocon and other piece of **** lies. What goes on outside of America's borders is none of our business.
    We have a lot of "business" outside of our boarders that we need to attend to. Take an economics course. Even basic economics will help you realize how much a countries forign policy plays into their economic health.





    This interventionism is what got us into this mess in the first place.WWI for example is a result of no one minding their own ****ing business.Which resulted in WWII. Our involvement in WWII was a result of the US not minding it's own business by trying to scold Japan by imposing trade sanctions on it.Korean war and Vietnam was a result of the US not minding it's own business because we had to stop them thar e-vile commies from taking over. The nonsense going on in the middle east is a result of our government installing puppet dictators so we can get their oil.
    An idealists view. It would be also nice if people would not kill each other, it would be nice if there were no thieves in the world, it would be nice if people did not need the police to resolve conflicts for them... all these things would be nice. But the reality is, people kill each other, people steal from each other, and we need the police to stop these people by locking them up so the rest of us can live a safer life. It is completely ignorant to think that everything will be alright if the US retreats behind its boarders. That suddenly, the all the worlds problems will be solved. When we left Iraq, did things magically get better over there. Nope! They got 100 times worse then they ever were because someone stepped in and filled the vacume we left behind. Same would happen if we retreated off the world stage. And I don't think I could state this enough, you are completely ignorant of geopolitics and the role it played in the cold war. If you studied it AT ALL you would see the reason behind the mess that resulted from the cold war and why we had to support who we did.



    I think every noecon pieces of **** trying push us into another war or into some other country's business should immediately be drafted to serve as a E-1 private in a infantry unit as a machine gunner. Maybe then those piece of **** neocons and other globalist/internationalist scum won't be so eager to push us into another interventionist war.
    Well, that would not be hard for me, as I am in the military already.
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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    **** President Eisenhower, okay?? The ****ing hypocrite presided over the most expensive war in human history, WWII. It dwarfs everything before or after.
    Could you elaborate on this further?
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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    We have a lot of "business" outside of our boarders that we need to attend to. Take an economics course. Even basic economics will help you realize how much a countries forign policy plays into their economic health.

    An idealists view. It would be also nice if people would not kill each other, it would be nice if there were no thieves in the world, it would be nice if people did not need the police to resolve conflicts for them... all these things would be nice. But the reality is, people kill each other, people steal from each other, and we need the police to stop these people by locking them up so the rest of us can live a safer life. It is completely ignorant to think that everything will be alright if the US retreats behind its boarders. That suddenly, the all the worlds problems will be solved. When we left Iraq, did things magically get better over there. Nope! They got 100 times worse then they ever were because someone stepped in and filled the vacume we left behind. Same would happen if we retreated off the world stage. And I don't think I could state this enough, you are completely ignorant of geopolitics and the role it played in the cold war. If you studied it AT ALL you would see the reason behind the mess that resulted from the cold war and why we had to support who we did.
    The rest of the world is not our business.**** Iraq,**** Afghanistan and all those other countries. I didn't say **** would be fine if we stayed out of everyone else's business.If we are attacked then we bomb the living **** out that country,cripple it and leave them to their own devices. Just because some **** happens in another country does not mean we need to come in like Captiain Save a Hoe.I value the lives of our countrymen over the lives of foreigners in other countries.



    Well, that would not be hard for me, as I am in the military already.
    Are you a grunt or are you a pog?
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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I could answer that question if I knew everything our military spends money on. Expensive biofuel programs should be scrapped.Troops station in Korea,Italy,Germany, Japan and other countries should be scrapped.Any military personal spying on Americans should be scrapped.Troops involve in countries we are not at war with should be scrapped. Any programs that provide military aid and arms to other countries should be scrapped.There are probably other things that can be cut too. Troops should be only used to defend our country, attack countries that actually attack us unprovoked first and troops stationed on our borders to actually prevent illegal crossing into our country and to use force if necessary to do it.
    The problem with your statement is that having troops stationed in other countries defendes our contry by making sure other countries do not invade our allies. The same goes with providing equipment to our allies, it helps us increasing to strenght of our allies so they do not rely on us in and acual wartime situation. It is espesialy important to have troops in Korea, to detire Nourth Korea, and in Japan to detire CHina from invading Japan.

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