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Thread: The military budget of the United States

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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Scale it down to $400 billion, I suppose.

    Our nation's infrastructure needs an overhaul among other things.
    Well, you don't have to scale down military spending to fix the infrastructure. All you need to do is start spending money on it, and that money soon returns back into the economy thru job growth and the reduction in spending to those on welfare due to the lower unemployment rate.
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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I'd make sure that we weren't paying $400 for a $15 hammer.
    That isn't done at the congressional level. Congress simply appropriates funds. The lowly E-3 at Maintenance Battalion will be purchasing the hammers. He can pay whatever he wants to pay for them no matter what congress says. However, if congress cuts his appropriation in half then he'll probably shop around for a better deal next time.

    Your solution implies that the higher level cannot correct these types of problems. They can but not via micromanagement. Congress cannot go to every unit in the Army and scrutinize their phone bills.

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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    That isn't done at the congressional level. Congress simply appropriates funds. The lowly E-3 at Maintenance Battalion will be purchasing the hammers. He can pay whatever he wants to pay for them no matter what congress says. However, if congress cuts his appropriation in half then he'll probably shop around for a better deal next time.

    Your solution implies that the higher level cannot correct these types of problems. They can but not via micromanagement. Congress cannot go to every unit in the Army and scrutinize their phone bills.
    Not really true. The military has such a thing called an Impact Card in which the PFC could buy a hammer. But his Maintenance shop would be authorized as an example $150.00 a month to purchase miscellaneous supplies. All other requisitions of higher dollar amounts must go through channels for approval and usually bids are taken on the items.

    I worked in an Electronics Maintenance Shop, stuff like tie downs, screws, multimeters etc were bought on the impact card. When we converted from copper to fiber the testing equipment requisition for fiber had to go through channels to be approved and added to our TDA of approved equipment. Then bids sent out which someone from the budget section would decide who won the bid.

    Plus each organization is allocated so much money for the fiscal year. I really do not know all the inner workings, just how those working effect our shop.
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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Not really true. The military has such a thing called an Impact Card in which the PFC could buy a hammer. But his Maintenance shop would be authorized as an example $150.00 a month to purchase miscellaneous supplies. All other requisitions of higher dollar amounts must go through channels for approval and usually bids are taken on the items.

    I worked in an Electronics Maintenance Shop, stuff like tie downs, screws, multimeters etc were bought on the impact card. When we converted from copper to fiber the testing equipment requisition for fiber had to go through channels to be approved and added to our TDA of approved equipment. Then bids sent out which someone from the budget section would decide who won the bid.

    Plus each organization is allocated so much money for the fiscal year. I really do not know all the inner workings, just how those working effect our shop.
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    With Russia energetically increasing the size of its military, both in personnel and weaponry, I don't understand why we are decreasing ours. We are hearing, almost on a daily basis. about top level experienced military personnel being fired. Fired! How this is supposed to make us safer is never discussed - it's just what is being done with no explanation from the administration. Last I looked, peace hasn't suddenly engulfed the world - the trend appears to be the opposite. Why are we downsizing now? What is the rationale behind this?

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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Pero.

    With Russia energetically increasing the size of its military, both in personnel and weaponry, I don't understand why we are decreasing ours. We are hearing, almost on a daily basis. about top level experienced military personnel being fired. Fired! How this is supposed to make us safer is never discussed - it's just what is being done with no explanation from the administration. Last I looked, peace hasn't suddenly engulfed the world - the trend appears to be the opposite. Why are we downsizing now? What is the rationale behind this?
    Russia? The their weak economy? I'm far more worried about China and their booming economy, considering the militarily aggressive moves they've exhibited in the last year or so. Aren't China and Japan still 'arguing' over some island or another?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I agree, the Navy's "Little Crappy Ship" (LCS) that can't fight. Billions spent and ships that can't put to sea and fight or sailors aren't trained to go to sea because they sit in sensitivity class rooms instead of training. Hundreds of millions being spent on removing urinals because they aren't PC and being replaced with PC crappers. Spending $27 per gallon for PC green jet fuel instead of politically incorrect $4 per gallon JP fuel. Spending $20,000 to kill one Taliban fighter with a Hell Fire Missile when a .25 cent bullet could do the same thing.
    Are you going to volunteer to go to Afghanistan or Iraq to fire the bullet? If not, then perhaps you should just butt out of the conversation. I love you guys that are so damned anxious to put other people in danger.
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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    In my opinion, we should never look at the military budget exclusively as a dollar amount.

    Rather, we should have tasks we want them capable of, and parameters for how we want said tasks accomplished.
    Then we determine how much it will cost to do those things, and from there adjust accordingly.


    Because frankly, having certain capabilities at hand if needed is worth almost any amount.
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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    It's a thing, whatever you call it, that you get what you prepare for. The US military isn't intended to defend the US, it's intended to intervene anywhere in the world. There's people who say that being prepared to intervene anywhere in the world is necessary for the defense of the US and those same people, with their interventions, make their own prophesies come true. It's the same thing with the war on drugs, the same self-fulfilling prophesy phenomenon. The mere existence of the power structure proves it's necessity.
    Good luck to any American who tries to make a case for a reduced military. He's obviously anti-American...

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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Are you going to volunteer to go to Afghanistan or Iraq to fire the bullet?
    Doesn't look like it. The last U.S. Marines just departed Afghanistan a few hours ago.

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    Re: The military budget of the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Pero.

    With Russia energetically increasing the size of its military, both in personnel and weaponry, I don't understand why we are decreasing ours. We are hearing, almost on a daily basis. about top level experienced military personnel being fired. Fired! How this is supposed to make us safer is never discussed - it's just what is being done with no explanation from the administration. Last I looked, peace hasn't suddenly engulfed the world - the trend appears to be the opposite. Why are we downsizing now? What is the rationale behind this?
    Since I been in the army and also worked for them, either upsizing or downsizing has been more political than to meet the actual security needs of the nation. The military is usually the first thing cut when government wants to save a dime. Some presidents are more pro military than others. So we have wild swings when it comes to military manpower and spending. That is a very inefficient way to run and operate. But the politics of the times usually dictates how much will be spent and congress dictates on what.

    The biggest problem today or at least before I retired was congress using the military as a civilian jobs creator and sustainer than as a national defense apparatus.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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