View Poll Results: Anyone Feeding The Homeless Should Be A Crime

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  • I understand the theory here, but I'm against it

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Thread: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Feeding the homeless makes us feel good, but what does it really do for the homeless? Give a man a fish.....
    Totally true story, happened to me just yesterday. I was approached by a man in a parking lot asking me for $3.00. for food. I took out my wallet and gave him a $5.00. He then told me if he just had $2.00 more, he could pay for his hotel room. I gave him the $2.00 and got in my car. Now, I know what you're thinking. I'm an idiot, right, for "believing" him. I didn't believe him for a second. I know where it's going but based on biblical teachings I do try to give to these guys - my thought being that it's his money to do with what he wants once I've decided to give the money to him.

    Anyway, as I started up my car, the dude approached my window and said he just needed two more dollars and I drove off. It's never enough is it?
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    The sociopathy of some people is just stunning.

    "If we just starve them, that'll fix it!"

    Right. What if we provided some kind of real help to these people, many of whom are traumatized vets or abandoned teens?

    Oh, right, that would involve human empathy.
    No, that would involve giving out free stuff. Human empathy can be involved without doing that.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, that would involve giving out free stuff. Human empathy can be involved without doing that.
    Oh, right, I forgot. No one's allowed to get "free stuff" except corporations.

    Why don't people seem to understand that if you want a desirable outcome -- and in the case of our society that views people as nothing but dollar signs, that means making them fit to re-enter work -- they have to put something into it? Especially since a lot of these people wouldn't even be homeless if mental health care weren't almost impossible to get?

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Oh, right, I forgot. No one's allowed to get "free stuff" except corporations.

    Why don't people seem to understand that if you want a desirable outcome -- and in the case of our society that views people as nothing but dollar signs, that means making them fit to re-enter work -- they have to put something into it? Especially since a lot of these people wouldn't even be homeless if mental health care weren't almost impossible to get?
    "These people" need to put some work into it themselves. Nobody can do it for them.
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree with this...but that isn't what's happening here.

    Wolfsgirl nailed what this story is about in her post. This is only for safety reasons (food handling) and for purposes of limiting the locations of the food sharing programs. Nobody is going to jail.
    In part, very true. But this was part of the story as well, and it is the cruel part.
    as cities have felt more pressure to prioritize economic development and tourism, they've decided that food sharing programs especially those that happen in public spaces and draw dozens, if not hundreds of people are problematic.
    How about that?

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Oh, right, I forgot. No one's allowed to get "free stuff" except corporations.
    Don't be silly, where did I say that?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Why don't people seem to understand that if you want a desirable outcome -- and in the case of our society that views people as nothing but dollar signs, that means making them fit to re-enter work -- they have to put something into it? Especially since a lot of these people wouldn't even be homeless if mental health care weren't almost impossible to get?
    A little thought would go a long way toward answering your idea of what is going on. Let's suppose you are right, the dollar signs are primary in importance. In that case, the cost of solving the problem your way is far greater than the cost of just shuffling a few homeless folks around the country.

    If you are wrong, and people are important too, well that means there are other factors at work that aren't accounted for in your dismissive and simplified to the point of untruth assessment.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    In a society that likes to sue everybody for everything, I can see how on some level, this is trying to protect some people from becoming victims by trying to help others.

    Imagine feeding some homeless people, a few get sick because there's peanut oil or something like that in the food, and BLAMMO - major law suits and the helper becomes a victiim and potentially sued into homelessness themselves.
    By the homeless they tried feeding as well as a few others who'll claim they were there when they weren't just to join the class action.
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    In part, very true. But this was part of the story as well, and it is the cruel part.

    How about that?
    See my post #34

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Don't be silly, where did I say that?

    A little thought would go a long way toward answering your idea of what is going on. Let's suppose you are right, the dollar signs are primary in importance. In that case, the cost of solving the problem your way is far greater than the cost of just shuffling a few homeless folks around the country.

    If you are wrong, and people are important too, well that means there are other factors at work that aren't accounted for in your dismissive and simplified to the point of untruth assessment.
    It's not about the dollar signs. No one is suggesting just giving the homeless hordes of money will help them. I'm talking about programs to help them solve the problems many of them have, which by the way, are often caused by the fact that help was inaccessible to them BEFORE they were homeless. It could be free if everyone just agreed to do it. But in large societies, it always involve planning and thus money.

    Right, it's cheaper to just try to starve them out, so that makes it inherently better.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    "These people" need to put some work into it themselves. Nobody can do it for them.
    Nope, but it would sure help if the programs they need weren't totally inaccessible to someone who's making less than upper middle class, even with insurance.

    You can't just un-psychotic yourself, or un-addict yourself. People need help for things like that.

    They can have all the willingness in the world, but if they are simply turned away, it's not going to help them. I've known many people who wound up falling apart after being refused help because they weren't rich or well-insured, because our system is horrifically expensive beyond anything anywhere else in the developed world.

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