View Poll Results: Anyone Feeding The Homeless Should Be A Crime

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Thread: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Jumping to some abstract conclusions just a wee bit are we????
    Are you talking to yourself? I have to assume that is the case.

    If not, what I wrote was not my conclusion, but the conclusion of people on the front line trying to address the real problem, and not trying to do some feel good mission that accomplishes nothing but propagating the problem.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Are you talking to yourself? I have to assume that is the case.

    If not, what I wrote was not my conclusion, but the conclusion of people on the front line trying to address the real problem, and not trying to do some feel good mission that accomplishes nothing but propagating the problem.
    Individuals feeding the homeless does not create more homeless, nor does it entice people to stay homeless.

    Feeding somebody who is homeless means that person is not hungry for a small time. Maybe it gives them hope.

    It's obvious the "real problem" is larger than those on the front line can handle.

    Feeding somebody accomplishes at least one thing. That person is fed.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Individuals feeding the homeless does not create more homeless, nor does it entice people to stay homeless.

    Feeding somebody who is homeless means that person is not hungry for a small time. Maybe it gives them hope.

    It's obvious the "real problem" is larger than those on the front line can handle.

    Feeding somebody accomplishes at least one thing. That person is fed.
    Do you think it's possible the "do-gooders" are partly responsible for the "real problem" becoming larger than those on the front line have been able to handle?

    Without addressing a more realistic and focused strategy, the only thing accomplished by those just arbitrarily handing out food is the placing of a gold star in the fantasy of someone's mind so they can parade around their "awesomeness" to their friends.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Yes, it makes perfect sense. Feeding some homeless person because you have a selfish need to feel special doesn't address the homeless problem, nor does it provide a vehicle to steer the homeless towards programs that could help them.

    The self centered nature of people who think a handing out a sandwich makes them enlightened and caring goes against all the available evidence about homelessness and how to truly help those who are in that position.

    Controlling where food can be provided allows those services to be concentrated, and assistance rendered more efficiently. Blighting public areas without any control and coordination allows the self serving set to ignore the needs of the surrounding business owners and residents so they can pretend they are doing something positive.
    If there were adequate shelters and sources of food for these people, do you really think they would be begging for food? Of course not.

    Although I am against a huge welfare state, I am 100% for making sure that every city has large and easily accessible shelters/'soup kitchens' that are federally government funded and never run out of food.
    With the huge number of obese people in America, it is inexcusable that any American should have to beg for food.
    And I do not think there are nearly enough food options for the homeless at this time...so giving food to them is perfectly fine, IMO.

    My only agreement with you would be that - having been an ex-drug addict (though I had plenty of money at the time - I knew a lot of addicts you didn't), you never give something to an addict that they can sell to feed their addiction...and many homeless are addicts of one kind or another.
    So, you make sure you do not give the homeless a food product they can easily sell...give them opened products (like a loaf of bread with a slice or two removed) or buy them a Big Mac but just as you are handing it to them, cut a small piece off of it to make it unsellable (you might be surprised what an addict will sell for addiction seed money).
    Last edited by DA60; 11-06-14 at 11:32 AM.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    If I see someone starving and some police officer attempts to prevent me from giving them some food, he's going to have one hellhound senior citizen on his hands .. not to mention really bad press if he throws me in the pokey.

    If cities don't like the "feed a stray cat" syndrome blight on their hands, then they had better go to their federal representatives and demand federal relief to create some shelters and food sources, not to mention systemic changes to eliminate out-sourcing many of these homeless peoples' jobs to wage-slaves in other countries, etc. that the Multi-Cultural Internationalists and Corporate Global Expansionists have caused.

    This is disgusting.

    Hopefully the new Congress will actually legislate in do-something fashion on this and other pressing issues of our time.
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If there were adequate shelters and sources of food for these people, do you really think they would be begging for food? Of course not.

    Although I am against a huge welfare state, I am 100% for making sure that every city has large and easily accessible shelters/'soup kitchens' that are federally government funded and never run out of food.
    With the huge number of obese people in America, it is inexcusable that any American should have to beg for food.
    And I do not think there are nearly enough food options for the homeless at this time...so giving food to them is perfectly fine, IMO.

    My only agreement with you would be that - having been an ex-drug addict (though I had plenty of money at the time - I knew a lot of addicts you didn't), you never give something to an addict that they can sell to feed their addiction...and many homeless are addicts of one kind or another.
    So, you make sure you do not give the homeless a food product they can easily sell...give them opened products (like a loaf of bread with a slice or two removed) or buy them a Big Mac but just as you are handing it to them, cut a small piece off of it to make it unsellable (you might be surprised what an addict will sell for addiction seed money).
    Who would buy a Big Mac from a homeless person whether there was a piece cut from it or not?
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Who would buy a Big Mac from a homeless person whether there was a piece cut from it or not?
    I saw something similar happen...they don't sell to the normal public, they sell to people on the streets that are a little better off then they are or they barter it.
    They would sell used cigarette ashes in bags to crack addicts (if you have ever done crack, you would know why).
    ANYTHING that has ANY value is sellable on the streets.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If there were adequate shelters and sources of food for these people, do you really think they would be begging for food? Of course not.

    Although I am against a huge welfare state, I am 100% for making sure that every city has large and easily accessible shelters/'soup kitchens' that are federally government funded and never run out of food.
    With the huge number of obese people in America, it is inexcusable that any American should have to beg for food.
    And I do not think there are nearly enough food options for the homeless at this time...so giving food to them is perfectly fine, IMO.

    My only agreement with you would be that - having been an ex-drug addict (though I had plenty of money at the time - I knew a lot of addicts you didn't), you never give something to an addict that they can sell to feed their addiction...and many homeless are addicts of one kind or another.
    So, you make sure you do not give the homeless a food product they can easily sell...give them opened products (like a loaf of bread with a slice or two removed) or buy them a Big Mac but just as you are handing it to them, cut a small piece off of it to make it unsellable (you might be surprised what an addict will sell for addiction seed money).
    I have a history from which I write on this matter with a high degree of experience and I guess I could say, authority. To establish some credibility, I spend one evening every week working in a rescue mission in downtown Los Angeles. Call it giving back, otherwise known by insiders as the "there but for the grace of God, go I" effort.

    There will never be enough beds, or enough food, to feed all the people who chose to live the life that puts them in such terrible circumstance. One of the more persuasive factors in turning that circumstance around occurs with someone finally becomes sick and tired of being sick and tired. Sadly, that usually occurs when they were too late to get a bed again, or too late to get fed. If food and shelter was never ending, the occurrence of people finally surrendering and seeking long term help would be extremely rare.

    While I recognize people feel compassion and want to help, and that is good, they have no clue what they are dealing with, and are not helping the problem with their defiance of good policy.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I have a history from which I write on this matter with a high degree of experience and I guess I could say, authority. To establish some credibility, I spend one evening every week working in a rescue mission in downtown Los Angeles. Call it giving back, otherwise known by insiders as the "there but for the grace of God, go I" effort.

    There will never be enough beds, or enough food, to feed all the people who chose to live the life that puts them in such terrible circumstance. One of the more persuasive factors in turning that circumstance around occurs with someone finally becomes sick and tired of being sick and tired. Sadly, that usually occurs when they were too late to get a bed again, or too late to get fed. If food and shelter was never ending, the occurrence of people finally surrendering and seeking long term help would be extremely rare.

    While I recognize people feel compassion and want to help, and that is good, they have no clue what they are dealing with, and are not helping the problem with their defiance of good policy.
    I never worked in a shelter (good for you, seriously), but I up have known a lot of addicts/homeless.

    Yes, many cannot even help themselves.

    But, IMO, there are not NEARLY enough government-run shelters/'soup kitchens'.

    And as I said above, if the homeless had access to enough food, they would not beg for it.

    So as long as there is not enough for these people, I say there is nothing wrong with handing out food to them.
    And these municipal governments are pathetically hypocritical by stopping people helping the hungry whilst not offering adequate resources for these needy people.
    I think their attitude is the worst kind of bureaucratic nonsense.

    You disagree, fine.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I saw something similar happen...they don't sell to the normal public, they sell to people on the streets that are a little better off then they are or they barter it.
    They would sell used cigarette ashes in bags to crack addicts (if you have ever done crack, you would know why).
    ANYTHING that has ANY value is sellable on the streets.
    I've never done crack, so I'm not sure why anyone would buy ashes, but I hear what you're saying about buying anything on the street. Still, these are desperate people who have nothing, so how much are they going to be able to pay?

    What a life. Nothing matters but the next fix. They are enslaved to a chemical substance that runs their lives. One would think they would jump at any opportunity to get free of their addiction.
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