View Poll Results: Anyone Feeding The Homeless Should Be A Crime

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    47 70.15%
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  • I understand the theory here, but I'm against it

    11 16.42%
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Thread: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    While I agree with you when it comes to a government handing out to the homeless, if individuals wish to feed the homeless, it is there right to do so. What kind of government restricts how their citizens can and cannot spend their surplus money and time?
    Well, if I for example pass out food to 10 homeless people and feed them one meal a day I'm competing with the government. Government feels THEY should be the one's who feed people, via social programs that house, feed and otherwise supplement them. Government doesn't want competition so they outlaw it. Hell, I don't even think government likes approved charities to feed the poor as the one I used to go work at from time to time received little to no help from government. It was funded primarily though community support.
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    How will the mentally ill live otherwise? I mean, what's your solution?

    I just don't see why, if people are willing to be generous, it's a problem to feed the needy, and why they're needy doesn't matter much to me even if what they need is self-respect. (And I want my tax dollars to go toward school breakfasts and lunches.)
    We used to have institutions where the mentally ill could be treated. That would no doubt be a better solution.

    Then, instead of waging a losing "war on drugs", let the homeless who are hooked on the really bad stuff, like heroin and meth for example, get their fixes under medical supervision while being offered the chance to get the monkey off of their backs permanently.

    That would not only save money, it would save lives as well.
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    While I agree with you when it comes to a government handing out to the homeless, if individuals wish to feed the homeless, it is there right to do so. What kind of government restricts how their citizens can and cannot spend their surplus money and time?
    The rationale is about food safety as well as where the feeding is taking place. Partly concern for safety, partly NIMBY, partly keeping the homeless dependent on handouts like the bears.
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    This really boils down to whether you are in support of people having the power to create zoning laws or not.

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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We used to have institutions where the mentally ill could be treated. That would no doubt be a better solution.

    Then, instead of waging a losing "war on drugs", let the homeless who are hooked on the really bad stuff, like heroin and meth for example, get their fixes under medical supervision while being offered the chance to get the monkey off of their backs permanently.

    That would not only save money, it would save lives as well.
    Are you seriously offering taxpayer funded recreational drugs to be given to the "mentally ill"?
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you seriously offering taxpayer funded recreational drugs to be given to the "mentally ill"?
    Two separate issues: People addicted to drugs, and people who are mentally ill.

    It would be cheaper in the long run to provide meth to the tweakers under medical supervision along with an offer to help get them off of the stuff than it is to put up with their stealing and spend time and money raiding meth labs.
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    It is a sad commentary on our times that simple charity has to be so regulated and dictated instead of what it once was, ie an expression of a giving heart.

    I support entirely an ordinance restricting people from setting up soup kitchens and the such near schools, residential areas, and most commercial areas. It takes nothing away from our compassion for the less fortunate to recognize and acknowledge that some of the less fortunate have the potential to be antisocial or even dangerous, and intentional exposure to that should always be voluntary and never forced on anybody.

    But I can't accept the Orwellian silliness that such regulation sometimes impose. I have had food poisoning three times in my life and every time it was because of restaurant food. I have eaten at many many potluck dinners at home, church, family reunions, and other places and have never been poisoned a single time at any of those. So to assume that restaurant food will always be more wholesome or safe than home cooked food is just silly. To regulate the home or church cook before he/she is allowed to feed the homeless is just silly.

    In years past, before we became such a opportunistic litigious society and were not plagued with so much government goody two shoes-ism, feeding the hungry was a joyous experience. Some made huge pots of beans or gravy at home to be served with homemade cornbread or biscuits. A dozen batches of stew cooked on home stoves and combined in a common pot at the soup kitchen made an invariably satisfying meal with who knows how many or what ingredients in it. Restaurants furnished us their leftover side dishes, desserts, or meats that were approaching their expiration dates--day old bread was forthcoming from bakeries etc. The homeless ate well, it cost us all very little, and it was fun and satisfying to do.

    And we never poisoned anybody. But if somebody had become ill, we would have taken care of that too. The risk is quite small and not worthy of government interference or dictates.
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    It is a sad commentary on our times that simple charity has to be so regulated and dictated instead of what it once was, ie an expression of a giving heart.

    I support entirely an ordinance restricting people from setting up soup kitchens and the such near schools, residential areas, and most commercial areas. It takes nothing away from our compassion for the less fortunate to recognize and acknowledge that some of the less fortunate have the potential to be antisocial or even dangerous, and intentional exposure to that should always be voluntary and never forced on anybody.

    But I can't accept the Orwellian silliness that such regulation sometimes impose. I have had food poisoning three times in my life and every time it was because of restaurant food. I have eaten at many many potluck dinners at home, church, family reunions, and other places and have never been poisoned a single time at any of those. So to assume that restaurant food will always be more wholesome or safe than home cooked food is just silly. To regulate the home or church cook before he/she is allowed to feed the homeless is just silly.

    In years past, before we became such a opportunistic litigious society and were not plagued with so much government goody two shoes-ism, feeding the hungry was a joyous experience. Some made huge pots of beans or gravy at home to be served with homemade cornbread or biscuits. A dozen batches of stew cooked on home stoves and combined in a common pot at the soup kitchen made an invariably satisfying meal with who knows how many or what ingredients in it. Restaurants furnished us their leftover side dishes, desserts, or meats that were approaching their expiration dates--day old bread was forthcoming from bakeries etc. The homeless ate well, it cost us all very little, and it was fun and satisfying to do.

    And we never poisoned anybody. But if somebody had become ill, we would have taken care of that too. The risk is quite small and not worthy of government interference or dictates.
    Excellent post.

    Sometimes I think the food health aspect is primarily more an excuse to the desired end result. It's not the real reason, but at the same time it's hard to effectively argue against.
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Two separate issues: People addicted to drugs, and people who are mentally ill.

    It would be cheaper in the long run to provide meth to the tweakers under medical supervision along with an offer to help get them off of the stuff than it is to put up with their stealing and spend time and money raiding meth labs.
    It may well be cheaper but paying criminals (with drugs or money) not to commit crime is simply insane. How would "under medical supervision" not be expensive both in direct and indirect costs?
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    Re: More Cities Are Making It Illegal To Hand Out Food To The Homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Excellent post.

    Sometimes I think the food health aspect is primarily more an excuse to the desired end result. It's not the real reason, but at the same time it's hard to effectively argue against.
    Yes, anybody who thinks it through understands the rationale behind the regulations. Its just that sometimes we focus so hard on trying to eliminate all risk that we lose sight of what we want to accomplish.
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