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Thread: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

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    Re: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And this belief is why women are becoming more belligerent and violent toward both men and women - no one encourages or enforces that women should get a grip on their anger, their temper, and their attitudes. Instead, when going against a man, women are given lee-way and flexibility. When going against other women people grab a video camera.

    Boys are constantly told to keep their anger in check, that they shouldn't fight other people (unless it's a man and it's consensual in the ring) and so forth from early on. Girls, however, are not. They're often encouraged to be emotional and expressive even when that surfaces in very negative ways.

    People see a violent situation and make snap judgments based on their social standards of 'the man is stronger' and 'the man should be able to defend himself' - which is exactly the reasons behind the statement that accompanies the video:



    there is a growing - and grotesque - unfairness in the legal end of things where women are given priority and preference and men are often snubbed in regard to anything remotely domestic dispute wise. People are more apt to accept that the man is violent - but less caring when the woman is violent.
    Hey! This is 21st century America, damn it! It's fine and dandy even to **** in the streets as long as your cause is endorsed by the right folks. There are no "standards" any more. People just do whatever the hell they want, post it to social media, and whoever gets the most likes on facebook gets to define the "standard".

    Face it, Spiker. You're getting old and the world you thought you knew just doesn't exist any more.

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    Re: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The legal side of it is one thing, and I agree that the way our current system approaches the issue is wrong. However, that's really neither here nor there where my public reaction to such a situation would be concerned.

    Generally speaking, a woman is only able to "beat" a man if the man allows himself to be beaten. The average woman simply isn't going to be able to hold most men against their will, or put their lives in serious danger.

    For that reason, no. I wouldn't get involved.

    The impetus is on the man to put his foot down and set his own affairs in order.
    Well on one hand you're agreeing there's an imbalance in the legal system.

    And on the other hand you're saying 'the man should be able to overpower her'.

    Now look at both of those things together and see how one affects the other: A) Physical. B) A decision.

    And there is where a lot of men fall - They are PHYSICALLY able of course - but to defend their self is risking more serious issues in which police might get involved. With our skewed system in place men are put into a position where they are encouraged not to even defend their selves from a legitimate attack.

    Police and others are more likely to side with the woman and not the man.

    Thus - men are assumed to be stronger but are advised to simply take it.

    An abused man faces a shortage of resources, skepticism from police, and major legal obstacles, especially when it comes to gaining custody of his children from an abusive mother.
    Our legal system needs to stop concluding that the woman is always telling the truth, and the man is always the aggressor in domestic assault situations.

    Clearly - there's more to this than 'him being stronger than her'.
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    Re: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

    I voted call 911.

    *If* there was a need to step in to prevent actual serious harm to either...I mean, is one party just standing there not fighting back at all?....I would help break it up and then let the courts sort out 'fault.'
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    Re: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And this belief is why women are becoming more belligerent and violent toward both men and women - no one encourages or enforces that women should get a grip on their anger, their temper, and their attitudes. Instead, when going against a man, women are given lee-way and flexibility. When going against other women people grab a video camera.

    Boys are constantly told to keep their anger in check, that they shouldn't fight other people (unless it's a man and it's consensual in the ring) and so forth from early on. Girls, however, are not. They're often encouraged to be emotional and expressive even when that surfaces in very negative ways.

    People see a violent situation and make snap judgments based on their social standards of 'the man is stronger' and 'the man should be able to defend himself' - which is exactly the reasons behind the statement that accompanies the video:



    there is a growing - and grotesque - unfairness in the legal end of things where women are given priority and preference and men are often snubbed in regard to anything remotely domestic dispute wise. People are more apt to accept that the man is violent - but less caring when the woman is violent.
    Well said Aunty Spiker!

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    Re: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And this belief is why women are becoming more belligerent and violent toward both men and women - no one encourages or enforces that women should get a grip on their anger, their temper, and their attitudes. Instead, when going against a man, women are given lee-way and flexibility. When going against other women people grab a video camera.

    Boys are constantly told to keep their anger in check, that they shouldn't fight other people (unless it's a man and it's consensual in the ring) and so forth from early on. Girls, however, are not. They're often encouraged to be emotional and expressive even when that surfaces in very negative ways.

    People see a violent situation and make snap judgments based on their social standards of 'the man is stronger' and 'the man should be able to defend himself' - which is exactly the reasons behind the statement that accompanies the video:

    there is a growing - and grotesque - unfairness in the legal end of things where women are given priority and preference and men are often snubbed in regard to anything remotely domestic dispute wise. People are more apt to accept that the man is violent - but less caring when the woman is violent.

    I agree that 'boys' are told this and taught it, but I think the proof is clear that it fails for many. Most violent crime, all spree shootings, and most other crimes where violence occurs, it's men. It's somewhat testosterone, altho that's a reason, not an excuse.

    Women are not 'better,' they just act differently on their anger. Manipulate, poison, damage property, make false accusations, etc. To survive, because they were smaller, women evolved to be less violent (have less testosterone for one thing). To have challenged males physically in prehistoric times would have meant many fewer women surviving to breed.

    So women are capable of violence....you don't want to cross a mama by threatening her kid...but most of the 'violence' I've seen from women (and it's been popularized on YouTube so there's some confirmation) is when they have friends there to back them up and egg them on. Or they are emboldened by male they know cannot (by law) or will not hit them back....so they get positive reinforcement for poor anger control.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

    There is just as much domestic violence toward men as there is toward women and anyone who will recognize one and not the other is a hypocrite.
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    Re: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There is just as much domestic violence toward men as there is toward women and anyone who will recognize one and not the other is a hypocrite.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

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    Re: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I wouldn't.

    The guy should be able to take care of himself.
    Extremely shortsighted given the fact that he could go to jail for "taking care of himself".
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    Re: Social experiment domestic violence, double standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I voted call 911.

    *If* there was a need to step in to prevent actual serious harm to either...I mean, is one party just standing there not fighting back at all?....I would help break it up and then let the courts sort out 'fault.'
    It's extremely easy for a woman to **** up a man's life permanently in violent situations, even if she's the violent one. The courts are conditioned to assume the man is always the asshole.
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