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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I would have gotten a PHD, but didn't want to go into more debt. The US needs more doctors, scientists, and PHDs. If I go back to university, I will go to a different country and keep my skills there. If you want your kids going into to debt and paying of the national debt you ran up, then you deserve a healthcare system that ****s you up.
    You wouldn't have gotten one at 21.

    And what area are you looking for a PhD? Generally, in the fields in demand (STEM), PhDs are covered.
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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    It began to end with FDR's Welfare programs. It has taken this long to completely destroy what was left of the American Dream. If you don't think so, you can't find your ass with either hand. And it continues to go into the dumpster.
    ...another debating lightweight that refuses to look at the facts or substantiate his case. You have offered us nothing but your impressions, and when challenged to explain how welfare has hurt the American dream you are woefully unable to do so. Instead you such recite the same unsubstantiated drivel. This is Debate Politics, not shout your impressions.

    I suggest you do a little research on welfare (and maybe a little debate theory). Give your position on this some thought and introspection and find some way to back up your position... perhaps an academic study that supports your conclusion. Until then, you are out of your league in this discussion....



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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Utter nonsense. It was after the New Deal era that the American dream hit overdrive and this nation became more wealthy than ever before.
    LOL, it was surplus war production capability that produced the economy after WWII, not a welfare state that created wealth. Sorry but your welfare state dreams don't cause anything to go into overdream except maybe poverty.
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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    People who answered yes, it clearly is dead for them. People who answered no, it's not dead for them.
    Last edited by CLAX1911; 10-29-14 at 04:24 AM.
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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no. but globalization, the slow progression to a post labor economy, decades of trickle down, and a nearly continuous state of war have taken a toll, though, and it has become a lot more difficult to attain.
    Yep! Bill Gates had tough. No dream there.

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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    The former American Dream died with the first WELFARE payment. Now it takes a special kind of person to seek out the old American Dream.
    Or is it a special kind of person that seeks out the welfare programs. It isn't easy to optimize that kind of income. It takes a New Breed.

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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Yep! Bill Gates had tough. No dream there.
    for everyone, of course, has Bill Gates' background, upbringing, and ability.

    come on.

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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    The "American Dream" is such a detestable concept. It's so idealist its mind numbing
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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    for everyone, of course, has Bill Gates' background, upbringing, and ability.

    come on.
    There are lots of successful people. Just look at the wealth rankings. Of course, it depends on where you are born. But look at guys like Obama. Most won't make President. But neither does every Bush.

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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    There are lots of successful people. Just look at the wealth rankings. Of course, it depends on where you are born. But look at guys like Obama. Most won't make President. But neither does every Bush.
    i think that the American dream should be independent of where you are born and who your parents are.

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