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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    For the purpose of answering the poll question, please use the following definition:

    "life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement" regardless of social class or circumstances of birth. [James Truslow Adams, 1931]
    If you compare it to that quote, I think the American dream is much more viable today for many Americans then it was then. Minorities, in particular.

    Life is better, richer and fuller for most people eighty years after this quote, with tremendous advances in technology, science, medicine, etc.

    The people in this thread remind me of the Louis CK bit:

    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Utter nonsense. It was after the New Deal era that the American dream hit overdrive and this nation became more wealthy than ever before.
    Might be utter nonsense to you if you actually believe having 46 million people existing on the government teat is the American dream. And another 50 million without a job. This article mentions 91 million. But I'll go with the more conservative number of 50 mil.

    Are there 91 million Americans ‘on the sidelines’ looking for work? - The Washington Post
    Liberalism—dividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    Might be utter nonsense to you if you actually believe having 46 million people existing on the government teat is the American dream. And another 50 million without a job. This article mentions 91 million. But I'll go with the more conservative number of 50 mil.

    Are there 91 million Americans ‘on the sidelines’ looking for work? - The Washington Post
    First place, you should actually read the references you post lest you embarrass yourself as you have here. The article well explains the 91 million not in the work force, arguing that 80 million are simply out of the work force (retired, stay at home moms, students or disabled) and its not a bad thing.... It cites only 10 million without a job....

    Most of the people on food stamps are working (working poor) and some are simply unable to work.

    6 SNAP (Food Stamp) Myths | Greater Philadelphia Coalition Against Hunger

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3894

    Please explain how welfare detracts from the American dream. Are you suggesting some prefer welfare to the American dream? Do you honestly suppose that tomorrow's entrepreneur, the would-be Mark Zuckerman, decides he would rather live in a rat-invested apartment in a crime ridden neighborhood eating less than nutritious food because that is a better life than casting his lot in starting the next Facebook? I think that is a rather absurd proposition that only remotely works if welfare is some type of desirable existence. If you think that, my guess is that you are ignorant about welfare.

    http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2013/0...re-recipients/

    You should try living on welfare, then you would realize that it ain't easy street.... and then, perhaps, you can move on from the chains of your bigoted world view.

    http://www.minnpost.com/community-sk...3150-food-week
    Last edited by upsideguy; 10-24-14 at 01:32 AM.

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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    For the purpose of answering the poll question, please use the following definition:

    "life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement" regardless of social class or circumstances of birth. [James Truslow Adams, 1931]

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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    First place, you should actually read the references you post lest you embarrass yourself as you have here. The article well explains the 91 million not in the work force, arguing that 80 million are simply out of the work force (retired, stay at home moms, students or disabled) and its not a bad thing.... It cites only 10 million without a job....

    Most of the people on food stamps are working (working poor) and some are simply unable to work.

    6 SNAP (Food Stamp) Myths | Greater Philadelphia Coalition Against Hunger

    The Relationship Between SNAP and Work Among Low-Income Households — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

    Please explain how welfare detracts from the American dream. Are you suggesting some prefer welfare to the American dream? Do you honestly suppose that tomorrow's entrepreneur, the would-be Mark Zuckerman, decides he would rather live in a rat-invested apartment in a crime ridden neighborhood eating less than nutritious food because that is a better life than casting his lot in starting the next Facebook? I think that is a rather absurd proposition that only remotely works if welfare is some type of desirable existence. If you think that, my guess is that you are ignorant about welfare.

    Poverty In America: Myths About Welfare Recipients « CBS Charlotte

    You should try living on welfare, then you would realize that it ain't easy street.... and then, perhaps, you can move on from the chains of your bigoted world view.

    Food Stamp Challenge: Try living on $31.50 for food for a week | MinnPost
    First of all I have two choices of who I will quote, and I guarandamntee you it won't be Obama or any of his minions. This country's economy is down the sewer whether you want to believe it or not. And the number of welfare leeches is growing every day. Like it or lump it.
    Liberalism—dividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    First of all I have two choices of who I will quote, and I guarandamntee you it won't be Obama or any of his minions. This country's economy is down the sewer whether you want to believe it or not. And the number of welfare leeches is growing every day. Like it or lump it.
    We were not discussing the general state of the economy nor was anyone discussing (nor quoting) Obama.

    1. We were first discussing the American dream, but you made the statement that the American dream ended with Welfare. I have taken you to task on that, first asking you how welfare impedes the American dream... and you could not answer.
    2. You suggested the 50 million people were out of work, for which you did the right thing by posting what you thought was support for that statement. I took you to task because what you offered as support did not support your statement.
    3. I then suggested you have impressions of welfare that simply are not true, for which you offer no defense.

    Like it or lump it, but my well supported argument trumps your unsupported impressions in any debate. Try again.

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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    We were not discussing the general state of the economy nor was anyone discussing (nor quoting) Obama.

    1. We were first discussing the American dream, but you made the statement that the American dream ended with Welfare.
    It began to end with FDR's Welfare programs. It has taken this long to completely destroy what was left of the American Dream. If you don't think so, you can't find your ass with either hand. And it continues to go into the dumpster.
    Liberalism—dividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    I think would be easier for my generation if we weren't loaded down with debt by the time were 21.

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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I think would be easier for my generation if we weren't loaded down with debt by the time were 21.
    Debt is a choice, you know.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Is the American Dream dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Debt is a choice, you know.
    I would have gotten a PHD, but didn't want to go into more debt. The US needs more doctors, scientists, and PHDs. If I go back to university, I will go to a different country and keep my skills there. If you want your kids going into to debt and paying of the national debt you ran up, then you deserve a healthcare system that ****s you up.

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