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In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

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chromium said:
It says quite enough that you consider the worst part of being raped at age 7 to be "turning gay" instead of the trauma and abuse of the rape itself
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The Mark said:
The molester/rapist should get life in prison, or the death penalty, in all such cases.
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Can all three of us agree that the molester/rapist should get life in prison, or the death penalty? We can at least agree on that.
 
Andalublue said:
I've no idea who this Haggard person is, but how the hell could you possibly know if a seven-year-old would or would not turn out to be gay? Do you have some scary mystic powers of prophecy?
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Ted Haggard was molested as a 7 year old boy in a pleasurable way. It wasn't a violent event. He lived his life as normal Christian boy. He grew up to be an extremely affluent Pastor. At the peak of his career he took a sharp turn and began higher homosexual male escorts for sexual favors. A few years into his sexual escapades he was exposed by the male escort. As you can probably guess his career as a pastor went downhill.

Are you implying that his experience as a 7 year old boy is entirely unrelated?
 
Andalublue said:
There's no such thing as a 7-year-old consenting to sex with an adult. It. Can. Not. Happen.
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How should I explain it? It wasn't violent.

He psychologically raped him but he didn't physically rape him but if you prefer to play dumb there is nothing I can do to stop you. Keep pretending that you don't understand my description of the events. Just keep on pretending.

Stick those fingers deep into those ears and start singing the "la la la la I can't hear you" song.
 
How do you rape a child psychologically but not physically?
 
vasuderatorrent said:
It was consensual. Ted Haggard never felt violated. Did you even watch the video?
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Even if i did believe him (keeping in mind he previously made a career off gay bashing while sucking dick himself), what would that say about him to *consent* to and enjoy sex with a man in the first place?

And 7 year olds don't even have a sex drive, so this "consent" notion (while you also call for the death penalty for his 'rapist') is getting really absurd
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Are you implying that his experience as a 7 year old boy is entirely unrelated?
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Why not? Even if he was raped he could have turned out homosexual just the same. Or are you implying every homosexual was raped as a kid?
 
chromium said:
And 7 year olds don't even have a sex drive, so this "consent" notion (while you also call for the death penalty for his 'rapist') is getting really absurd
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Not to say nauseating and deeply disturbing.
 
chromium said:
Why not? Even if he was raped he could have turned out homosexual just the same. Or are you implying every homosexual was raped as a kid?
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Can we at least agree that the molester/rapist should get life in prison, or the death penalty? We can at least agree on that. Right?
 
chromium said:
Why not? Even if he was raped he could have turned out homosexual just the same. Or are you implying every homosexual was raped as a kid?
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I don't agree with that. That's one heck of a coincidence.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
It was consensual. Ted Haggard never felt violated. Did you even watch the video?
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I do not care what the video says, what Ted Haggard says, or what anyone says.

It is not possible for a child to consent to sex.

They may THINK they consented, even years later, but they did not.
 
The Mark said:
I do not care what the video says, what Ted Haggard says, or what anyone says.

It is not possible for a child to consent to sex.

They may THINK they consented, even years later, but they did not.
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Do you think it's a coincidence that Ted Haggard was raped and became gay later in life? Do you think the two events are entirely unrelated?
 
vasuderatorrent said:
I don't agree with that. That's one heck of a coincidence.
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No it's not. Unless the rapist targeted Haggard *because* he was gay, the probability would be the same as for the population at large - about 5%
 
chromium said:
No it's not. Unless the rapist targeted Haggard *because* he was gay, the probability would be the same as for the population at large - about 5%
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Can we at least agree that the molester/rapist should get life in prison, or the death penalty? If not, that's fine.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Can we at least agree that the molester/rapist should get life in prison, or the death penalty? We can at least agree on that. Right?
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It's you who has to take a position. If it was "consensual and pleasant" so that no harm was done aside from "became gay", you're saying that making someone gay should carry the death sentence. You're saying that alone ruined the kids' life. I'll never agree with that
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Do you think it's a coincidence that Ted Haggard was raped and became gay later in life? Do you think the two events are entirely unrelated?
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That's unrelated to my point.

It doesn't matter whether Ted Haggard (whoever that is) did decide he enjoyed being gay because he was raped as a child - there was still no consent involved when he was a child.

Children CANNOT consent to such.

Caveat: I will say that it is theoretically possible for a child of that age to be developed enough mentally to consent.
However we must NEVER legally acknowledge such, because the vast majority of children at that age cannot consent, and there's no sure way to test for consent having occurred, barring some fantastical time machine ****.
 
chromium said:
It's you who has to take a position.
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I already have. So has "The Mark". I am just asking you to agree with us.

chromium said:
you're saying that making someone gay should carry the death sentence.
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That is correct. Can we at least agree that the molester/rapist should get life in prison, or the death penalty? Anything beyond 'yes' will sound like a 'no' to me. Do you agree that the molester/rapist should get life in prison, or the death penalty?
 
The Mark said:
there was still no consent involved when he was a child.

Children CANNOT consent to such.
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I don't disagree with you on this. You got hung up on a detail that had nothing to do with the discussion.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
I don't disagree with you on this. You got hung up on a detail that had nothing to do with the discussion.
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Wait...we're discussing whether a male adult molesting a male child does or does not lead to the child realizing they like being gay?
Or are you saying molestation in such a situation forcibly makes a child gay?

I'm going to say that only the former is possible.

However I am nothing even close to a trained mental health professional, so I have no way of knowing one way or another.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
I already have. So has "The Mark". I am just asking you to agree with us.



That is correct. Can we at least agree that the molester/rapist should get life in prison, or the death penalty? Anything beyond 'yes' will sound like a 'no' to me. Do you agree that the molester/rapist should get life in prison, or the death penalty?
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Not according to your own hypothetical no, since being gay isn't the end of the world as you envision. Amazing that you expect those of us who are homosexual and happy with it to agree with you

Counter example, a man rapes a young girl and she "becomes hetero," should he get life in prison/death penalty?

This double standard is rather easy to expose, but you're not even denying it so i guess that's the end of it
 
chromium said:
Not according to your own hypothetical no, since being gay isn't the end of the world as you envision. Amazing that you expect those of us who are homosexual and happy with it to agree with you

Counter example, a man rapes a young girl and she "becomes hetero," should he get life in prison/death penalty?

This double standard is rather easy to expose, but you're not even denying it so i guess that's the end of it
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I think I have my answer. Thank you sir.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Do you think it's a coincidence that Ted Haggard was raped and became gay later in life? Do you think the two events are entirely unrelated?
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For the record, nobody "becomes" gay. They either have hetero leanings or homo leanings, and that doesn't change. Neither does the strength of their tendencies one way or the other.
 
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