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In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?


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If they were not gay because they were molested, does that mean they were molested because they were gay?



Would you put Ted Haggard in this category? Is he a gay person that was molested? Is it a total coincidence that he is a gay person and has absolutely nothing to do with his childhood experience?

I'm just saying that if a person has pleasurable male on male gay sex with a little child the child will become gay. That's all I am saying.

This is what I am not saying. I am not saying that all gay people have sex with children. I am not saying that the only gay people are those who were molested as children.

I guess the accusation of you think that pedophilia was ok was unfounded, disrespectful and unfair. Let me rephrase it into a question: Do you think it is ok for men to have consensual sex with 7 year old boys if the 7 year old boys are ok with it? If not, would you be thrilled out of your mind if the molested boys learned to enjoy male on male sex as a little child even though it was very likely that they would never be exposed to it otherwise? If not, would you be pissed if the child wasn't molested and never became gay?

These are just three really odd questions that you will dodge because you don't want me to destroy your worldview. Put your fingers in your ears and say, "la la la la. I can't hear you." Don't take those fingers out of your ear because I firmly believe that when a child is sodomized in a pleasurable fashion then he will become gay with 100% certainty. That pisses me off. I bet it doesn't bother you in the least bit. You can ignore this if you want but it does happen to children every single day. They become gay as a result of a predator.

I don't really think there's a way to sodomize a child that's pleasurable for the child. Interesting hypothesis. Does it cut both ways, if a girl who would be a lesbian has her first pleasurable sexual encounter as a child with a man, does that mean she'll be straight?
 
I don't really think there's a way to sodomize a child that's pleasurable for the child. Interesting hypothesis. Does it cut both ways, if a girl who would be a lesbian has her first pleasurable sexual encounter as a child with a man, does that mean she'll be straight?

Just no, no , no, and no. No one is gay because they were molested as a child.
 
Just no, no , no, and no. No one is gay because they were molested as a child.

For the most part, I don't think so either, although I'm not sure we can say it's never happened. I've heard of women who have been badly abused by men turning to other women for a relationship since they, understandably cannot trust men.

I'm will say that I'm pretty well convinced that nobody in the LGBT community or any community would actually be pleased that a child has been "turned gay" by a pedo.
 
I'm pretty well convinced that nobody in the LGBT community or any community would actually be pleased that a child has been "turned gay" by a pedo.

really? You are really easy to convince. Go check your bank account. I just put $1,000,000 into it.
 
We are attempting here to define people based on behaviors.
Constraining the definition to "exclusively gay" will not paint a very accurate picture. If we do, then by inverse comparison we should define straight as, exclusively heterosexual without exception.
The resultant statistic will leave a very large segment to fall in between.
 
My point was that it technically means both.

It's all a matter of the context it was stated in.
The original post clearly mentioned bi-sexual, etc. There was no mention of emotions whatsoever, only other sexual/gender preferences. What was that about context again?

No, you were being purposely obtuse. The context was clear. You're kidding yourself if you believe you're making a point of some kind.
 
We are attempting here to define people based on behaviors.
Constraining the definition to "exclusively gay" will not paint a very accurate picture. If we do, then by inverse comparison we should define straight as, exclusively heterosexual without exception.
The resultant statistic will leave a very large segment to fall in between.
It probably would. So?
 
It probably would. So?

Well, if the definition extended to people who have ever had sexual fantasies about the same sex, or who had ever acted on those fantasies, then I reckon I'd have to vote 'Greater than 15%', but it would be much, much greater than 15%. If it was limited to those who are publicly and openly gay-identified then it would be less that 15%, no doubt. See why I didn't vote?
 
Well, if the definition extended to people who have ever had sexual fantasies about the same sex, or who had ever acted on those fantasies, then I reckon I'd have to vote 'Greater than 15%', but it would be much, much greater than 15%. If it was limited to those who are publicly and openly gay-identified then it would be less that 15%, no doubt. See why I didn't vote?
No, I don't. You're over-thinking the question.
 
No, I don't. You're over-thinking the question.

Okay, then I'll just leave you with what my best friend always says when someone accuses him of thinking that every attractive man he meets is gay. "Darling, I don't think EVERY man is gay. There are two types of men: gay men, and men with potential."
 
In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

If you would have asked this same question to me 2 years ago then I would have estimated less than 1%. Now I'm thinking it's closer to 5%. This coming out trend is becoming so popular that it has shifted my worldview. There is way more gay people than I ever thought in the past.
 
You need to watch the Nyan Cat video. It is VERY relevant.

However, don't watch this video at 0:57 - 1:42



I'm sorry but I believe the man that raped Ted Haggard should have had his left arm chopped off the first year, his right arm chopped off the second year, his left leg chopped off the third year, his right leg chopped off the fourth year, he should have been beat repeatedly every day for the next five years, then he should sit in prison for one more year in solitary confinement and then he should be executed in the 11th year.

You probably think that he deserves a medal for recruiting another sodomite. Hell, you'll probably deny that he recruited him.


The medal should go to his lover, for exposing a massive hypocrite and the futility of homophobia, yes
 
If you would have asked this same question to me 2 years ago then I would have estimated less than 1%. Now I'm thinking it's closer to 5%. This coming out trend is becoming so popular that it has shifted my worldview. There is way more gay people than I ever thought in the past.

Has shifted much if you still refer to them as "monsters" and "recruited sodomites"

It's not a trend either, god forbid you try to understand *why* someone would come out once it's safe to do so. It's the natural state of things in a world that isn't quite so hostile
 
The medal should go to his lover, for exposing a massive hypocrite and the futility of homophobia, yes

Don't forget the man who raped him as a child. What does the rapist get? Never mind. I already know what he gets. He gets ignored.
 
I'm just suggesting that a child that has pleasant consensual gay sex with a grown man will become gay. I'm not saying that all gay men have pleasant consensual sex with little 7 year old boys.

I'd probably say that accounts for less than 0.1% of gay men. Ted Haggard enjoyed the sex he had as a 7 year old boy. I doubt that he was going to call the police.

Statutory rape rarely gets reported. The 0.1% figure might be too low. I do not believe Ted Haggard would have became gay on his own. He was recruited and I don't like that.

Where the hell do you come up with this? Did ted haggard actually say that? Not that we should believe anything he has to say on the matter, but a 7 year old enjoying rape...
 
Don't forget the man who raped him as a child. What does the rapist get? Never mind. I already know what he gets. He gets ignored.

It says quite enough that you consider the worst part of being raped at age 7 to be "turning gay" instead of the trauma and abuse of the rape itself
 
I do not believe Ted Haggard would have became gay on his own. He was recruited and I don't like that.

I've no idea who this Haggard person is, but how the hell could you possibly know if a seven-year-old would or would not turn out to be gay? Do you have some scary mystic powers of prophecy?
 
Don't forget the man who raped him as a child. What does the rapist get? Never mind. I already know what he gets. He gets ignored.
So far as I know there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that a male adult molesting a male child causes that child to become gay.

I call bull**** on any claims of that nature, no matter who makes them.

The molester/rapist should get life in prison, or the death penalty, in all such cases.
 
I estimate around 3%
 
Has shifted much if you still refer to them as "monsters" and "recruited sodomites"

It's not a trend either, god forbid you try to understand *why* someone would come out once it's safe to do so. It's the natural state of things in a world that isn't quite so hostile

The Biblical view is that people who brag about their sin are reprobates that serve no purpose but to destroy themselves and everyone in their pathway. The Bible is a book. The Bible doesn't have the capacity to change. True Christianity does not and will never allow sinners to proudly proclaim their sins. Liars who pretend they are Christian may tolerate this kind of thing. That's fine but it doesn't make them Christian or Bible based. The Bible says what it says.

My worldview can change. The Bible will never change. If you hate the Bible then throw it away. Don't take that out on me. I don't hate people who proudly proclaim their sin. I have strong feelings against fakers who misrepresent the Christian religion. I'm not even a Christian but I still think if you are going to be a Christian then you should be one. Otherwise I have strong feelings against the person who misrepresents Christianity. I have no respect for that at all.
 
Where the hell do you come up with this? Did ted haggard actually say that?

Yes. He did say that he enjoyed sex with a grown man when he was 7 years old. Yes. He did say that.
 
It says quite enough that you consider the worst part of being raped at age 7 to be "turning gay" instead of the trauma and abuse of the rape itself

It was consensual. Ted Haggard never felt violated. Did you even watch the video?
 
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