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In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

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CLAX1911 said:
Gay means homosexual, if you doubt me, go to a middle school and talk about the gay time you and your buddy had at the sausage festival.

Based on the snickers you would get, you may want to rethink your usage of that word.

It doesn't mean happy any more.
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Yes it does.

It's just that we've reached a point where the English language is almost entirely composed of innuendo.
 
The Mark said:
Yes it does.

It's just that we've reached a point where the English language is almost entirely composed of innuendo.
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It really doesn't. Did any body really think Michael Sam was just saying how happy he was?

The meanings of words change. and this word is an example of that.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It really doesn't. Did any body really think Michael Sam was just saying how happy he was?

The meanings of words change. and this word is an example of that.
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My point was that it technically means both.

It's all a matter of the context it was stated in.
 
CLAX1911 said:
What video, this one?

Nyan Cat [original] - YouTube

I don't see why it's relevant.
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You need to watch the Nyan Cat video. It is VERY relevant.

However, don't watch this video at 0:57 - 1:42



I'm sorry but I believe the man that raped Ted Haggard should have had his left arm chopped off the first year, his right arm chopped off the second year, his left leg chopped off the third year, his right leg chopped off the fourth year, he should have been beat repeatedly every day for the next five years, then he should sit in prison for one more year in solitary confinement and then he should be executed in the 11th year.

You probably think that he deserves a medal for recruiting another sodomite. Hell, you'll probably deny that he recruited him.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Gay means homosexual, if you doubt me, go to a middle school and talk about the gay time you and your buddy had at the sausage festival.

Based on the snickers you would get, you may want to rethink your usage of that word.

It doesn't mean happy any more.
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Update. Gay doesn't even mean homosexual anymore. Now it means stupid or lame.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
You need to watch the Nyan Cat video. It is VERY relevant.

However, don't watch this video at 0:57 - 1:42



I'm sorry but I believe the man that raped Ted Haggard should have had his left arm chopped off the first year, his right arm chopped off the second year, his left leg chopped off the third year, his right leg chopped off the fourth year, he should have been beat repeatedly every day for the next five years, then he should sit in prison for one more year in solitary confinement and then he should be executed in the 11th year.

You probably think that he deserves a medal for recruiting another sodomite. Hell, you'll probably deny that he recruited him.
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Sorry, your video link didn't work. Allit did was getfuzzy and say " This video doesn't exist" I don't know exactly what is wrong.

Where did you get the idea that my saying that gay people aren't turned means that pedophilia is okay? That is one hell of a strawman.

I don't doubt that some gay people were molested, I just don't buy that having an effect on sexual orientation. Now, I will entertain that idea, but it's dubious.

People don't get turned. Gay folks aren't vampires.
 
CLAX1911 said:
In modern culture it means homosexual. Type in "gay boys having fun" in your web browser. Tell me what comes up.
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Based on far less dangerous searches turning up odd results along similar lines, I can guess without even trying to do that search.

Which does not at all prevent me from pointing out that "gay" STILL technically means "a happy, fun, time" And also homosexual, of course.

These days it seems like having a serious discussion is partially a battle just to avoid noticing innuendos.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't doubt that some gay people were molested, I just don't buy that having an effect on sexual orientation.
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If they were not gay because they were molested, does that mean they were molested because they were gay?

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I don't doubt that some gay people were molested,
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Would you put Ted Haggard in this category? Is he a gay person that was molested? Is it a total coincidence that he is a gay person and has absolutely nothing to do with his childhood experience?

I'm just saying that if a person has pleasurable male on male gay sex with a little child the child will become gay. That's all I am saying.

This is what I am not saying. I am not saying that all gay people have sex with children. I am not saying that the only gay people are those who were molested as children.

I guess the accusation of you think that pedophilia was ok was unfounded, disrespectful and unfair. Let me rephrase it into a question: Do you think it is ok for men to have consensual sex with 7 year old boys if the 7 year old boys are ok with it? If not, would you be thrilled out of your mind if the molested boys learned to enjoy male on male sex as a little child even though it was very likely that they would never be exposed to it otherwise? If not, would you be pissed if the child wasn't molested and never became gay?

These are just three really odd questions that you will dodge because you don't want me to destroy your worldview. Put your fingers in your ears and say, "la la la la. I can't hear you." Don't take those fingers out of your ear because I firmly believe that when a child is sodomized in a pleasurable fashion then he will become gay with 100% certainty. That pisses me off. I bet it doesn't bother you in the least bit. You can ignore this if you want but it does happen to children every single day. They become gay as a result of a predator.
 
The Mark said:
"gay" STILL technically means "a happy, fun, time"
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Get a new American Standard dictionary. You could be right. You could be wrong. I'll have to sneak a peak at a 2014 edition of the Webster's Dictionary next time I am at Books A Million.

I'm pretty sure this only applies in the theme song for the Flintstones.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
If they were not gay because they were molested, does that mean they were molested because they were gay?
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The only reason anyone is ever molested is because the person molesting them wants to do so and has the power to do so.
 
The Mark said:
Based on far less dangerous searches turning up odd results along similar lines, I can guess without even trying to do that search.

Which does not at all prevent me from pointing out that "gay" STILL technically means "a happy, fun, time" And also homosexual, of course.

These days it seems like having a serious discussion is partially a battle just to avoid noticing innuendos.
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Nobody uses the word "gay" to mean happy.

It's too easily confused with the dominate meaning of the word.

Just like fagot means a bundle of twigs.
 
I rarely meet a male homosexual who is not "gay." There must be something about it....who'd think that getting ****ed in the ass would be called happy?
 
The Mark said:
The only reason anyone is ever molested is because the person molesting them wants to do so and has the power to do so.
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Most times it is consensual between the child and the perpetrator. I'm not referring to physical rape. I'm referring to psychological manipulation and a pleasurable sexual experience for the perpetrator and the victim. This pleasurable experience will haunt the victim indefinitely. CLAX1911 will keep his fingers in his ears for as long as I continue this discussion.

You don't seem to be a finger in the ears kind of guy. Surely you see how a child can be influenced to enjoy homosexual experiences before he is old enough to make that decision. The person molesting this child should be punished with the most brutal violence humanly possible. That's just my take on the issue.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Most times it is consensual between the child and the perpetrator. I'm not referring to physical rape. I'm referring to psychological manipulation and a pleasurable sexual experience for the perpetrator and the victim. This pleasurable experience will haunt the victim indefinitely. CLAX1911 will keep his fingers in his ears for as long as I continue this discussion.

You don't seem to be a finger in the ears kind of guy. Surely you see how a child can be influenced to enjoy homosexual experiences before he is old enough to make that decision. The person molesting this child should be punished with the most brutal violence humanly possible. That's just my take on the issue.
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There is no consent possible between a child and an adult.

The mental differential and developmental state of one party prevents consent from happening legitimately.
To reiterate, you CANNOT force consent. Mental manipulation counts as force.
 
The Mark said:
There is no consent possible between a child and an adult.

The mental differential and developmental state of one party prevents consent from happening legitimately.
To reiterate, you CANNOT force consent. Mental manipulation counts as force.
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Are you saying that you don't understand the situation that I am describing?
 
The Mark said:
There is no consent possible between a child and an adult.

The mental differential and developmental state of one party prevents consent from happening legitimately.
To reiterate, you CANNOT force consent. Mental manipulation counts as force.
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With physical manipulation a negative emotion is impressed on the memory. With psychological manipulation a pleasurable emotion is impressed on the memory. If a child is raped by physical force the victim will hate sex. If a child is raped by psychological force the victim will love sex disproportionately more than normal people.

They have different outcomes. Neither is acceptable in my opinion. The LGBT movement might disagree. They may say that even though child molestation is bad at least they have one more member in their community to fight the battle against society. The monsters in the LGBT movement are likely to ignore the crime and call it victimless.

However, most members of the LGBT movement would plug their fingers in their ear so that they could maintain their world view that homosexuality is the most awesome thing.

Somebody should be punished violently.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
If they were not gay because they were molested, does that mean they were molested because they were gay?
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That doesn't make any sense. The two things aren't connected in the least.



Would you put Ted Haggard in this category?
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I don't know who Ted Haggard is.

Is he a gay person that was molested?
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If he is gay and he was molested...I think the answer is obvious.

Is it a total coincidence that he is a gay person and has absolutely nothing to do with his childhood experience?
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Unless you can make a link.

I'm just saying that if a person has pleasurable male on male gay sex with a little child the child will become gay. That's all I am saying.
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All I really ask is that you prove it.

This is what I am not saying. I am not saying that all gay people have sex with children. I am not saying that the only gay people are those who were molested as children.
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I can read, thank you.

I guess the accusation of you think that pedophilia was ok was unfounded, disrespectful and unfair. Let me rephrase it into a question: Do you think it is ok for men to have consensual sex with 7 year old boys if the 7 year old boys are ok with it?
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No.

If not, would you be thrilled out of your mind if the molested boys learned to enjoy male on male sex as a little child
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No.

even though it was very likely that they would never be exposed to it otherwise?
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No.

If not, would you be pissed if the child wasn't molested and never became gay?
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no.

These are just three really odd questions that you will dodge because you don't want me to destroy your worldview.
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I didn't dodge them. And your hypothetical doesn't really alter my world view.

Put your fingers in your ears and say, "la la la la. I can't hear you." Don't take those fingers out of your ear because I firmly believe that when a child is sodomized in a pleasurable fashion then he will become gay with 100% certainty.
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Your beliefs are based on a false cause.

That pisses me off. I bet it doesn't bother you in the least bit. You can ignore this if you want but it does happen to children every single day. They become gay as a result of a predator.
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You have to prove that it occurs. Right now, I am doubtful.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
With physical manipulation a negative emotion is impressed on the memory. With psychological manipulation a pleasurable emotion is impressed on the memory. If a child is raped by physical force the victim will hate sex. If a child is raped by psychological force the victim will love sex disproportionately more than normal people.

They have different outcomes. Neither is acceptable in my opinion. The LGBT movement might disagree. They may say that even though child molestation is bad at least they have one more member in their community to fight the battle against society. The monsters in the LGBT movement are likely to ignore the crime and call it victimless.

However, most members of the LGBT movement would plug their fingers in their ear so that they could maintain their world view that homosexuality is the most awesome thing.

Somebody should be punished violently.
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I'm saying that mental manipulation of any sort counts as force in my book, when one party is a child and one an adult.

IOW, if someone manipulates a child into having sex with them, it is rape. I don't care how they manipulated the child. A child is not mentally formed enough to resist if they wanted to.

Edit: Additionally, if anyone who could theoretically be tossed into the arbitrary grouping we sometimes call "LGBT" thinks I am wrong about this, **** them.

And not in the the fun way.

Anyone at all, actually.
 
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vasuderatorrent said:
Have you ever seen an episode of the Flintstones?
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Yeah.

You are referring to "...we'll have a gay ol' time" if I am not mistaken at the end of the theme song?

Here is my answer to that. It isn't culturally relevant in modern times. The cartoon is fifty years old. Words are made up, meanings are changed, some words are even removed completely.

Language is dynamic, not stagnate. And the meaning of the word has been changed.

I will ask you again, did you really think that Michael Sam was just the first openly joyful NFL draft pick?
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Most times it is consensual between the child and the perpetrator. I'm not referring to physical rape. I'm referring to psychological manipulation and a pleasurable sexual experience for the perpetrator and the victim. This pleasurable experience will haunt the victim indefinitely. CLAX1911 will keep his fingers in his ears for as long as I continue this discussion.
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Of course that will always be on the victims mind. I never said it wouldn't. I just don't believe that it makes them homosexual. That isn't ignoring, that is starting my belief.

You don't seem to be a finger in the ears kind of guy. Surely you see how a child can be influenced to enjoy homosexual experiences before he is old enough to make that decision. The person molesting this child should be punished with the most brutal violence humanly possible. That's just my take on the issue.
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My fingers aren't in my ears, I just don't think sexual orientation is that fragile. I think it goes deeper than that.

You can accuse me of ignoring you. But that is just because you can't prove your hypothesis, and you don't like being questioned in it.
 
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