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    Re: In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Marriage itself is a right. That does not mean that everything included in government marriage is a right.
    Methinks ernst barkmann will disagree.

    Everything included in "government marriage"? You refer to state licensing/recognition?

    Then those subsequent allowances would fall under equal protection of the law.

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    Re: In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by 29A View Post
    The Constitution itself doesn't privilege marriage. Historically, marriage was a private contract between families. Seems it wasn't until states began issuing licenses that it ceased to be a right and became a privilege.

    Could you also clarify your distinction between rights and privileges?

    Why wouldn't marriage be considered to be included among the right to pursue happiness?

    at one time government was not involved in marriage at all, under Blacks law, government got in the marriage business because of mixed marriage.

    you have a right to be with another person, but no one has a right to a piece of paper and have another person preform a service for them.

    a right..... is given to you by god/ or by nature/ or by a higher power however ever you choose the founders left it subjective........but its..........an entity.... ABOVE government.

    a right...... is something you exercise without it being hindered in any way, by another person or government..........it requires no action, from another person or a government

    a privilege/ civil right /legal right ...is something you receive from government, and it requires an action from government, like government services.

    a marriage....... requires a license [rights are not licensed] and a third person to at least to preform the service of marriage.

    nothing can be a right, if it lays a cost or burden on another citizen.

    when people say, "i have a right to be married"........then they are saying they can use FORCE on another person to see their right is fulfilled..... thats illogical.....rights do not have the power of force on another people, because you would be are stepping into their rights.

    pursuit of happiness is ......[property].
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    Re: In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by 29A View Post
    Ok, but then what do you call all the things that are allowed subsequent to state's recognition of marriage, such as inheritance, visitation privileges, etc.? Rights? That is why I referred to marriage as a right.
    the constitution deals in only 2 things.....natural rights, and privileges and immunities ,that's all nothing else.

    government grants privileges, and ONLY government must honor them.....government cannot grant privileges to people, on or for the property of other people.

    Article 4

    The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.


    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


    AMENDMENT XIV

    Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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    Re: In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by 29A View Post
    The Constitution itself doesn't privilege marriage. Historically, marriage was a private contract between families. Seems it wasn't until states began issuing licenses that it ceased to be a right and became a privilege.

    Could you also clarify your distinction between rights and privileges?

    Why wouldn't marriage be considered to be included among the right to pursue happiness?
    What is the origin of your presumed "right to pursue happiness?" That phrase comes from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. In any case, Jefferson was not using "happiness" in the sense of "joy" or "bliss." He used it to mean good fortune or prosperity--i.e. acquiring wealth. John Locke had listed life, liberty, and property as inalienable rights.

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    Re: In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    What is the origin of your presumed "right to pursue happiness?" That phrase comes from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.
    Right, I wasn't attempting to present it as coming from the Constitution.

    In any case, Jefferson was not using "happiness" in the sense of "joy" or "bliss." He used it to mean good fortune or prosperity--i.e. acquiring wealth. John Locke had listed life, liberty, and property as inalienable rights.
    The fact that Jefferson didn't use the word "property" in the DOI may indicate that's not what's meant. Given his in-depth knowledge of not only Enlightenment thinkers but Greek thinkers, what makes you think he was channeling Locke and not Epicurus?


    October 31, 1819 letter to William Short.

    I take the liberty of observing that you are not a true disciple of our master Epicurus, in indulging the indolence to which you say you are yielding. One of his canons, you know, was that "the indulgence which prevents a greater pleasure, or produces a greater pain, is to be avoided."

    Syllabus of the doctrines of Epicurus.

    Physical.

    Virtue the foundation of happiness.

    To William Short, with a Syllabus Monticello, October 31, 1819 < The Letters of Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826 < Thomas Jefferson < Presidents < American History From Revolution To Reconstruction and beyond

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    Re: In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

    100% of the gay ones.

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    Re: In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Would it? I would think that it'd remain relatively constant over time. Barring unnatural outside influences.
    Well, IF they are born with it as many assert, it's genetic. In the past they were encouraged to marry straight and pass those genes on. However, now they can marry same sex with less chance of reproduction. So the number may shrink in the future. Another win for homosexual marriage.

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    Re: In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

    Based solely on my own anecdotal experience involving my family and friends, I would guess 5%.

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    Re: In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, IF they are born with it as many assert, it's genetic. In the past they were encouraged to marry straight and pass those genes on. However, now they can marry same sex with less chance of reproduction. So the number may shrink in the future. Another win for homosexual marriage.
    Hmm, that is an interesting observation. That makes sense, IF it is genetic. It is possible for something to not be a choice and still not be genetic. It is also possible that conditions inside the womb that have little to do with the genetics of the fetus could affect it as well. My non-expert opinion is that orientation derives from a myriad of factors. But if even a portion of it is genetic then one would expect the actual percentage to decrease, even if the numbers of people coming out of the closet increases.

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    Re: In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It's got to be between 2 and less than 3% according to the latest data I have read. But, those whose enlightenment comes in the form of sit-coms, and Hollywood through films, those folks seem to think the percentage is much higher. Last gallup poll on the subject most people guessed at least 20%. I think the entertainment industry by design has created this persona as a way to shift public opinion more favorable to a gay lifestyle. Heck just watch HGTV for a couple of hours and you would swear that over 33% of the population is gay. One in every three shows has a gay couple looking for a home or wanting a new interior design.
    Indeed, most of the media would give the impression that the percentage of gays and lesbians, excluding bisexuals and transsexuals, is in the double-digits and significantly higher than it truly is.

    But Gallup may be the best we have to establish an accurate foundation, so that's what I used: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1063899910.

    I recall a previous Gallup poll that specified that most of the LGBT community is B.

    Putting everything together, the correct answer is most likely .1 - 2 percent, the first response in the poll.
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