View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    We always like to say that we would have less freedom sans government.


    This is not an accurate statement. We are a pack animal. When a group of us are together, we naturally form a system of leadership...a government. What I mean to say is, you get a group of humans together that is large enough, and no matter what you do, they will form some type of government, some type of hierarchy.
    Government is not formed from people voluntary coming together, but by the strong conquering the weak and making them their slave. This has nothing to do with peoples natural tendency to form into groups, but with dickheads wanting to command and conquer their fellow human beings.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    They can do both. Was the government creating the interstate road system a "restriction of freedom"? No. It expanded freedom, the freedom to travel.
    Was the espionage act in WW1 a restriction of freedom? Absolutely.
    The Interstate Highway System was not built to take a Sunday drive on, it's officially known as the National Defense Highway System designed and built for the military and to move war time commerce, supplies, tracked vehicles (like tanks) , troops etc. across the nation during war.

    National Defense Highway System

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    They can do both. Was the government creating the interstate road system a "restriction of freedom"? No. It expanded freedom, the freedom to travel.
    Was the espionage act in WW1 a restriction of freedom? Absolutely.
    Really? So what do you think the government did to build the interstate road system? How many people lost their property due to eminent domain so that those roads could be built? Are you saying ignoring peoples property claims is somehow the government giving the people freedom?

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Government is not formed from people voluntary coming together, but by the strong conquering the weak and making them their slave. This has nothing to do with peoples natural tendency to form into groups, but with dickheads wanting to command and conquer their fellow human beings.
    Uh.....in a word, no.

    Government

    the group of people who control and make decisions for a larger group, country, state, etc.

    : a particular system used for controlling a country, state, etc.

    : the process or manner of controlling a country, state, etc.





    All government is is a guy leading while others follow. Period.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Thanks to the mod for updating the poll options!

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Interstate Highway System was not built to take a Sunday drive on, it's officially known as the National Defense Highway System designed and built for the military and to move war time commerce, supplies, tracked vehicles (like tanks) , troops etc. across the nation during war.

    National Defense Highway System
    Construction of it was authorized by the: Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If you wanna get held up on semantics, good for you, but none the less me point holds true.


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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Really? So what do you think the government did to build the interstate road system? How many people lost their property due to eminent domain so that those roads could be built? Are you saying ignoring peoples property claims is somehow the government giving the people freedom?
    Absolutely. Some people lost out to gain that highway system.
    http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/50interstate.cfm
    Last edited by US Conservative; 10-22-14 at 12:18 AM.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Really? So what do you think the government did to build the interstate road system? How many people lost their property due to eminent domain so that those roads could be built? Are you saying ignoring peoples property claims is somehow the government giving the people freedom?
    Never heard of common law?


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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Construction of it was authorized by the: Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If you wanna get held up on semantics, good for you, but none the less me point holds true.
    Under the Constitution the only roads that the federal government can build are postal roads and roads for national defense.

    Navigable waterways fall under the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

    The federal government isn't authorized to build bridges to no where.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Uh.....in a word, no.

    Government

    the group of people who control and make decisions for a larger group, country, state, etc.

    : a particular system used for controlling a country, state, etc.

    : the process or manner of controlling a country, state, etc.





    All government is is a guy leading while others follow. Period.
    So I tell you what government really is about and how they come into being and you provide me some completely uneducated definition. Nice. History and frankly pretty recent history shows us how government is formed and it is not formed by voluntary consent or peoples nature of coming together, but with violence and a desire to command other peoples lives. You're absolutely right that people form into groups, but it's more complex that. What happens after people join into groups is fighting and violence, not a coming together of people to form a government.
    Last edited by Henrin; 10-22-14 at 12:21 AM.

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