View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Understood but to clarify Im not asking about the stated intent or goals of govt-Im asking about the actual practice of govt.
    as for government, any government which is not limited, will always grow and exceed its powers.....its the nature of government to do that, which is why American government had many checks on the power of said government, but many have been removed or ignored.

    government grows, liberty decreases.

    the American people's rights are slowly shrinking every day.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Freedom can neither be created nor destroyed, simply redistributed. Government is a mediator that works to negotiate the conflicts members of society have with one another. Without government the same freedom would exist, just shifted around between different elements and in ways less in keeping with ideals the founding fathers had.
    Fine but how can it mediate, beyond restricting as it sees fit to do such things?

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    But it should logically follow that a government can't enforce rights with enforcing restrictions.
    Governments are creations of a society, and a society is logically and sociologically defined as a group with similar beliefs. That has been lost with appointed judges now ruling from the bench...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Freedom can neither be created nor destroyed, simply redistributed. Government is a mediator that works to negotiate the conflicts members of society have with one another. Without government the same freedom would exist, just shifted around between different elements and in ways less in keeping with ideals the founding fathers had.
    without government... first their would be anarchy, then followed by a dictator, .....people will live with a dictator before living with anarchy.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Governments are creations of a society, and a society is logically and sociologically defined as a group with similar beliefs. That has been lost with appointed judges now ruling from the bench...
    I disagree. Society is defined by national, and to a lesser extent state and local, government borders, whether logical, similar or not. That is the major cause of the divide.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    But it should logically follow that a government can't enforce rights with enforcing restrictions.
    Granted but I was asking this more to evaluate the function of govt-and it appears we agree that regardless of intent, they restrict.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    Rights are, in their very essense, restrictions on others to impose on them.
    rights are actions, others are to stand back and not hinder you from doing.

    privileges....... require an action

    government creates privileges and government must honor them...not the people or business.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Granted but I was asking this more to evaluate the function of govt-and it appears we agree that regardless of intent, they restrict.
    I've never heard anyone try to argue otherwise, but yes we agree.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Governments are creations of a society, and a society is logically and sociologically defined as a group with similar beliefs. That has been lost with appointed judges now ruling from the bench...
    Governments are still a system, even if created by individuals.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    I disagree. Society is defined by national, and to a lesser extent state and local, government borders, whether logical, similar or not. That is the major cause of the divide.
    You can disagree as you like, but you can't deny the fact that our government was created by its people to serve the people...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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