View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It sounds like you are saying that govts can only restrict.
    Rights are, in their very essense, restrictions on others to impose on them.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    correct.....

    to secure the rights of the people...that is the end of government.

    james madsion- Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.
    Understood but to clarify Im not asking about the stated intent or goals of govt-Im asking about the actual practice of govt.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Our entire federal government was initially set up with no laws in place, and, as what usually happens, it keeps granting itself powers far beyond what was intended by those under which it was created...
    Exactly. As I said, that is the nature of government. In order to secure rights of the people, it must impose restrictions on people, to prevent encroachment by each other. In that process, we essentially consent to giving them the power to make and enforce the rules. If we had no government it would be anarchy, and although we might have freedom to do whatever we wanted, that freedom would be limited by whomever was the strongest and most feared. An elected government is the same thing, except that we vote, but make no mistake, they have the power and they restrict our movements and freedoms, no matter what we want to believe.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    They don't provide them, they protect rights/freedoms that are inherently ours. And of course they restrict them within reason.
    So you agree that (even with your stated intent to provide rights/freedoms) that they can only do this by restriction? I was not asking in the op about intent , but rather action and outcome.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It cannot do that without imposing restrictions via legislation.
    legislation creates law/ regulations, for punishment ....via rights violations[crimes] .....or threatens to health and safety[regulations]

    it is not created to make us behavior as government desires.....that would make government a moral entity, and if it had that authority it could deem what is good and bad for us.

    this is why you see people elected who think they are moral authority ,........who seek to redistribute health, raise taxes on people on people they think have to much money....

    the words "deem necessary" are a very dangerous thing......because people believe article 1 section 8 clause 18 of the Constitution grants government the powers to do any necessary and proper for the people, .....however that is false.

    government is only instituted to see the rights of the people are secure.........if rights did not need to be secure, no government would be necessary.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Our entire federal government was initially set up with no laws in place, and, as what usually happens, it keeps granting itself powers far beyond what was intended by those under which it was created...
    that's correct and it does it many times under ..."necessary and proper".....which is false.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Freedom can neither be created nor destroyed, simply redistributed. Government is a mediator that works to negotiate the conflicts members of society have with one another. Without government the same freedom would exist, just shifted around between different elements and in ways less in keeping with ideals the founding fathers had.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Exactly. As I said, that is the nature of government. In order to secure rights of the people, it must impose restrictions on people, to prevent encroachment by each other. In that process, we essentially consent to giving them the power to make and enforce the rules. If we had no government it would be anarchy, and although we might have freedom to do whatever we wanted, that freedom would be limited by whomever was the strongest and most feared. An elected government is the same thing, except that we vote, but make no mistake, they have the power and they restrict our movements and freedoms, no matter what we want to believe.
    If our elected representatives were truly in charge, I might agree, but now everyone rushes to the courts to decide issues which should be decided by those representatives and we all are now subservient to their RULINGS......
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    Rights are, in their very essense, restrictions on others to impose on them.
    Granted but Im referring to govt (a system) and not individuals.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Granted but Im referring to govt (a system) and not individuals.
    But it should logically follow that a government can't enforce rights with enforcing restrictions.

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