View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    The thing is that Sweden have been told for over a period of over 50 years that we will fail because we are too socialist. But Sweden is still doing pretty good in many ranking. Both then it comes to "soft factors" like life expectancy and child mortality rate. But also then it comes to ecomical factors like bein a innovative society. So it seems small goverment is not the only way to go.

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    Also you can ask yourself what a free labormarket is. For some it's just no goverment regulation and therefor it's ok that workers are payed so little that their children have to also work. That people are dependent on work for survival that at the same time a single individual don't have the same bargain power as a multibillion company. Of course you can have social safety net that stop people from starving to deat, but it can lead to people both working and at the same time being dependent on the goverment. That as I understand it you are already their in USA. That people are working but still are dependent on goverment food aid. The Relationship Between SNAP and Work Among Low-Income Households — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

    What you need instead are functional labormarket like for example Sweden their both our companies can be internationally competive and make their owner rich and at the same time the workers can have good salaries and working condition.



    Freedom willl always be restricted by nature and man. US Conservative is probably right what it's only a very small society that everyone can be happy with the societies rule and feel that under those rules everyone is free. But a very small society can't have the luxury that a larger and more complex like the ones we have. That means that you in a small society will be very restritced by nature. If their are a bad crop season, people risk starving to death. People in that society will also face the risk of seeing their loveones die or themself die from what in our societes is easily treatable diseases. So in that sens people in who society can instead feel lot more restricted and also threathed by nature.
    The last 50 years Sweden has been protected. Its needed to divert nothing to defense and even so its population is STILL crumbling. Marxism takes the soul out of people, and makes that culture start to crumble. Its not unique to Sweden either. Ironically, in my experience northern Europe has an excellent work ethic and would thrive in a true capitalist society. The course its on wont end well, already you have the inversion of the family, with more grandparents and older family than children. Your population is only replenished by people fundamentally at odds with western values. Thats not a recipe for success.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    "Big government" is easier to pull off in smaller populations and/or homogeneous societies. The larger percentage that think alike, the greater the potential for any system to succeed. The more fractured a societal mindset, then it doesn't matter what system you choose, it will be doomed to failure.
    This is true, its one reason the left in the USA has long pursued things like identity politics-its a means to weaken the society, with the hope that it will be replaced by a marxist model.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Yes in part your right then it comes to get a mayority to accept and want a bigger goverment society. In a bigger countries like USA you instead have to have other soloutions for example a combination of a lot of welfare program and other goverment programs on state level that at the same time the states and the central goverment can agree on common rules. Because it can else be easy that people move across the stateline to a state with good childcare, good school when they have children and then move back over stateline to a state with lower taxes then then chilrden growned up. But as I understand you are very very far away from getting the state and goverment unity to archieve it.
    Historically, govt "unity" means tyranny.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    You don't see a distinction between a right and the ability to exercise that right?
    No. Rights only exist as long as you have the ability to exercise them. If you can't, then they don't exist anymore than laws which aren't enforced.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. Rights only exist as long as you have the ability to exercise them. If you can't, then they don't exist anymore than laws which aren't enforced.

    Laws which aren't enforced do exist. They can be enforced at any time the enforcement agency decides to begin enforcing them. They do not have to be brought back into existence by a legislative body.

    So rights are simply accidents of time and place and subject to whims of the person with the biggest gun? I assume then that you'd accept never to intervene in a country where the government is committing mass slaughter of the populace? Afterall the government has decided that they don't have a right to life so no such right exists for them.
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