View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    How do they manifest universally? Where is this natural manifestation of ethics occurring?

    Ethics, as a theme, is entirely, 100%, human. They are derived from morals. And morals are derived from various sources, religion being a major contributor.
    Animals have morals/ethics that allow their herds or packs to function well. An example is the way dogs signal when they are playing. More at https://www.google.com/search?q=ethi...x-a&channel=sb

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Animals have morals/ethics that allow their herds or packs to function well. An example is the way dogs signal when they are playing. More at https://www.google.com/search?q=ethi...x-a&channel=sb
    body communication =/= morality.


    Chimps eat each other. Do they think that's wrong?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    They are not restrictions in the context that you are trying to present.
    How so?

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Through taxes but that restriction of having to pay taxes is much less then restriction then the restictions children have if they not get a good education. My country Sweden is one of the most left leaning western democracies with one of the worlds highest taxrates. Still people in sweden have the freedom to become rich and in some cases become billionaires. That for example the swedish entrepreneur that created Skype have earned billions of dollar. Maybee he would never have had that chance if sweden didn't have good free of charge school up and including free univerities? That my country Sweden and other welfare state have much greater social mobility than for example USA.

    Also high taxes can also create alot of benefits to the entire society. For example heavily subsided good daycare centers make both parents have the freedom to make a career and also provide a safe and good enviroment for the children. Also for example universal healthcare leads to a more productive and healthy society. Also a unemployed person or a person with a unskilled work have much larger freedom to better his position and contribute to society if he/she can be healtthy and get medicial treatment if needed.
    Socialist sweden can't even sustain itself and must open its borders to immigrants who will fundamentally change it. Your country is what it is today because its protected by more powerful western nations. If you needed to defend yourself your nation would look much different.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    How do they manifest universally? Where is this natural manifestation of ethics occurring?

    Ethics, as a theme, is entirely, 100%, human. They are derived from morals. And morals are derived from various sources, religion being a major contributor.
    Natural rights can be seen universally, even in animals-and my example was self defense. Ethics is a group phenomenon, morals are individual.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Animals have morals/ethics that allow their herds or packs to function well. An example is the way dogs signal when they are playing. More at https://www.google.com/search?q=ethi...x-a&channel=sb
    This is true. Also, some animals protect themselves from others as a group, etc. Some even take recreational drugs. Interestingly, these traits are different based on the group and the geographical location.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Natural rights can be seen universally, even in animals-and my example was self defense. Ethics is a group phenomenon, morals are individual.
    Ethics is an attempt to legally enforce morals.

    You keep saying natural rights can be seen universally, even in animals, and you provided ONE example. Anything else?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Ethics is an attempt to legally enforce morals.

    You keep saying natural rights can be seen universally, even in animals, and you provided ONE example. Anything else?
    Ethics are not just a legal construct. I also believed I mentioned reproduction.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Ethics are not just a legal construct. I also believed I mentioned reproduction.
    No, animals, and ALL creatures, only have the ability...to TRY...to reproduce. Just face it, either you're wrong, along with the handful of people who think as you do, or I'm too stupid to understand, or you're not effectively explaining the concept.

    Ethics are rules set forth by society. Many of them are based on individual morals, but many are also based on collective needs for the group as a whole. Meaning, sometimes societal ethics go contrary to an individuals moral code.

    Animals have no morals. They DO have rules, but they are hardly ethical.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Restricts freedom for the people who are relatively self sufficient and strong

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