View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Those are claims, where is proof?
    This is political philosophy-prove ANYTHING.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?
    both. the balance depends on the specific government that you're referring to.

    also, the way the question is worded is too generic. for examples, corporations have lost the freedom to dump chemicals into rivers that caused them to catch on fire. had the population lost freedom of the press, that would be something else entirely. both would be a loss of freedom; one is completely necessary and benefits all of us.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This is political philosophy-prove ANYTHING.
    So you admit it's just a bunch of mental masturbation. Gotcha.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So you admit it's just a bunch of mental masturbation. Gotcha.
    It was intended to establish a baseline in my poll, take a look its done that. There are reasons why I do what I do.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It was intended to establish a baseline in my poll, take a look its done that. There are reasons why I do what I do.
    My point was that one can claim these things are real, they can be of the opinion that these things are real, but without being able to actually demonstrate that these things are real, there really isn't much of an intelligent, rational discussion that can go on about these things in the real world. So long as it remains wishful thinking, you can talk about it hypothetically, but it really has no real-world application.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    My point was that one can claim these things are real, they can be of the opinion that these things are real, but without being able to actually demonstrate that these things are real, there really isn't much of an intelligent, rational discussion that can go on about these things in the real world. So long as it remains wishful thinking, you can talk about it hypothetically, but it really has no real-world application.
    I disagree and see philosophy in general and political philosophy to have implications daily.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    What about the merriam dictionary is uneducated? Define educated?
    It doesn't accurately describe the situation. Government is an organization of the predatory process and totalitarian control by political means over a given territorial area.

    Our government is a coming together of people. There are 350,000,000 US citizens, give or take. There are, what, less than 10,000,000 government employees? Even less if you only count the leaders. At any point, any day of the week, any time of day, should the vast majority of people no longer consent, they can, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
    No, government is not about people coming together. When the government decided you were under their authority when you were born did you come together with those in government to make that decision? No, they decided it for you and ever since that day you have been under their command. Does the government have any real idea how many people consent to their governance or not? How many people were offered a choice to live in this land and not consent to be governed? That would be grand total of zero, yes? If someone comes to live in this land they MUST consent to the governing organization and follow their command thereafter or face fines, imprisonment, forced labor, or even death. Hell, in this country you're forced into labor as a condition for doing certain things like making a living or owning a home or if you want to open a business. In short, no one has a choice in the matter, so there is no "coming together of people". Your whole line of reasoning is based on a falsehood.

    Your problem is, the vast, over whelming majority of people, while maybe not HAPPY with the way things currently are, are still fine with the government they've got.
    You have no idea if that claim of yours is true or not.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You mean like your belief that people have a right to commence in commerce with unwilling parties?
    No, more in the way that religious and non-religious extremists do not discriminate people who have the right to shop where they want (when it comes to essential businesses that the government has regulated as being essential/public accommodation businesses).
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, more in the way that religious and non-religious extremists do not discriminate people who have the right to shop where they want (when it comes to essential businesses that the government has regulated as being essential/public accommodation businesses).
    The right to shop where you want calls for other peoples freedom to be violated. Otherwise, people could refuse to commence in commerce with you for any reason what so ever and you're so called right goes out the window. You might not know this, but all positive right declarations call for a violation of someones liberty.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement;


    That is the very first line, of the very first link you provided. Nature does not recognize ethics. Nature does not adhere to legality, beyond the basic laws of physics. Nature DOES have social constructs, by which I mean, many species of animals form packs, instinctively.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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