View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Then list other natural rights. Who knows, maybe you'll make a believer out of me.
    See the Bill of Rights. Slavery is another.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    See the Bill of Rights. Slavery is another.
    Those aren't natural rights, those are invented rights. Try again.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    But how does it "do" that, beyond restriction? Laws restrict. Taxes restrict.
    Laws and taxes are we support ourselves: it's how we take care of ourselves.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Laws and taxes are we support ourselves: it's how we take care of ourselves.
    This stuff is so basic, I will never understand how so many people can be totally clueless about it.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    See the Bill of Rights. Slavery is another.
    So, animals have a natural right to free expression, and religion?

    I'm simply not understanding the notion of natural rights, I'm afraid. Let's back up to the beginning. What's a right?
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Laws and taxes are we support ourselves: it's how we take care of ourselves.
    I have never said or thought otherwise, but they ARE restrictions, are they not?

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Those aren't natural rights, those are invented rights. Try again.
    Define "invented" rights.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Define "invented" rights.
    Something people came up with.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    So, animals have a natural right to free expression, and religion?

    I'm simply not understanding the notion of natural rights, I'm afraid. Let's back up to the beginning. What's a right?
    Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Natural and legal rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Natural law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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