View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sure it is made of individuals. You vote for an individual, don't you? It's not some Borg collective.
    No, its a system, it is of course executed by individuals.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    My point was merely to illustrate what it is that govts do. And whats with the Hillary impression?
    It's what humans do. If you wanted to make a ridiculously obvious point, why not just make it?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    What rights do you see in nature?
    How about self defense? Do you blame this zebra for doing EVERYTHING it can to defend its life?

    Something to consider when you hear people tell you you can't keep a weapon.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    How about self defense? Do you blame this zebra for doing EVERYTHING it can to defend its life?

    Something to consider when you hear people tell you you can't keep a weapon.
    Anything else? So, the right to fight for your life is a natural right. What else?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Anything else? So, the right to fight for your life is a natural right. What else?
    Any thoughts on self defense? Do you agree? (Frankly, it exists even if you dont agree)

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Any thoughts on self defense? Do you agree? (Frankly, it exists even if you dont agree)
    Because you say so.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Any thoughts on self defense? Do you agree? (Frankly, it exists even if you dont agree)
    If by right, you mean ability, then yeah. We all have the ABILITY to fight for our lives, to varying degrees of success and failure.


    So is that what you mean by natural rights? The ability to do those things?

    Because that's not going to get you far in this debate. Sure, I have the ABILITY to fight back against an oppressive regime. And the ability to die shortly there after, unless I was also able to procure some means of more effectively fighting them. Does my ability to obtain fire arms = a right to have fire arms? In my opinion, rights are something that can't be taken away, and as such, they don't exist, because EVERYTHING can be taken away.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's what humans do. If you wanted to make a ridiculously obvious point, why not just make it?
    No, its what govt's do. And for the 3rd time in this thread, it was to establish a baseline.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    If by right, you mean ability, then yeah. We all have the ABILITY to fight for our lives, to varying degrees of success and failure.


    So is that what you mean by natural rights? The ability to do those things?

    Because that's not going to get you far in this debate. Sure, I have the ABILITY to fight back against an oppressive regime. And the ability to die shortly there after, unless I was also able to procure some means of more effectively fighting them. Does my ability to obtain fire arms = a right to have fire arms? In my opinion, rights are something that can't be taken away, and as such, they don't exist, because EVERYTHING can be taken away.
    No, I meant rights, which stem out of natural law. Not ability. People, and animals aren't granted permission to defend themselves, reproduce etc, though all rights can be restricted, often by govt.

    Do NOT confuse a right with an ability, they are two different things.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No, I meant rights, which stem out of natural law. Not ability. People, and animals aren't granted permission to defend themselves, reproduce etc, though all rights can be restricted, often by govt.

    Do NOT confuse a right with an ability, they are two different things.
    Then list other natural rights. Who knows, maybe you'll make a believer out of me.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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