View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You brushed over the topic of discussion to interject an unrelated (discredited, marxist) question.

    Lets go back. How is the govt forcibly taking from some freedom?
    See the thing is. This is not a "marxist question".


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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Try to be more nuanced. Im not saying there is not a legitimate and necessary role of govt.-Im saying that all it can do is restrict.
    There is so much else that government does; I think that your thesis is flawed.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So I tell you what government really is about and how they come into being and you provide me some completely uneducated definition. Nice. History and frankly pretty recent history shows us how government is formed and it is not formed by voluntary consent or peoples nature of coming together, but with violence and a desire to command other peoples lives. You're absolutely right that people form into groups, but it's more complex that. What happens after people join into groups is fighting and violence, not a coming together of people to form a government.

    What about the merriam dictionary is uneducated? Define educated?

    Our government is a coming together of people. There are 350,000,000 US citizens, give or take. There are, what, less than 10,000,000 government employees? Even less if you only count the leaders. At any point, any day of the week, any time of day, should the vast majority of people no longer consent, they can, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.


    Your problem is, the vast, over whelming majority of people, while maybe not HAPPY with the way things currently are, are still fine with the government they've got.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So we agree that the govt can only restrict. We may vary on what allowances to restrict are appropriate.

    I dont see how this relates, im not arguing that there are legitimate rights that should be protected, but rather that the only way the govt can DO that is by restriction.
    You're choosing the word "restrict" for negative connotations. And you're ignoring that the only way any person or organization can protect anyone's liberties is to curtail the ability of people to simply take what they want from others. These "restrictions" lead to our lives being less restricted, and this is a feature that is hardly unique to a government, not a democratic government, nor what passed for government in previous societies.

    If you have some alternative to a democratic government that would do a better job protecting people's rights, ensuring an orderly society, and promoting prosperity, please share it. Otherwise, all of this tedious whining about government as a concept (rather than reasoned criticism of specific ideas and aspects of our government) is just annoying.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    I am not American and I do not see an option I am able to choose any option.

    Yes, government does restrict some freedoms to promote the greater good of provided freedom for all. There are limits in freedom of movement and other limitations of freedom but that is to provide general freedom and safety for everybody in the United States. Sometimes the government needs to limit some freedoms to make sure other freedoms are not infringed upon.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am not American and I do not see an option I am able to choose any option.

    Yes, government does restrict some freedoms to promote the greater good of provided freedom for all. There are limits in freedom of movement and other limitations of freedom but that is to provide general freedom and safety for everybody in the United States. Sometimes the government needs to limit some freedoms to make sure other freedoms are not infringed upon.
    You mean like your belief that people have a right to commence in commerce with unwilling parties?

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    I'm not an american and I think it is important to consider that goverment also gives freedom. For example it only through tax funded free of charge school every child can get a good education. Their that education gives a lot of freedom to the indivual at the same time it benefit the entire society.

    Think also how much restricted we as individual and consumers would be if it was not the goverments job through regulation and laws to see that the product we buy is safe. Because think of the hundreds of diffrent products we buy anything from sausages, cars, microvawe, guns and milk. How would we have the time to self find out if all the product we bought would not hurt us directly like for exampel stomach ill or exploding gun to long term effects like cancer? Escpecially since coperations will always spend alot of money on both open and covert marketing to make us believe their products is safe.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    I am a Leftist.

    I believe the State restricts freedom.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    It's not a valid question. Just because you have the ability to do a thing doesn't mean you have the freedom to do that thing. Nobody in their right mind is going to complain that the government doesn't allow them the freedom to shoot people in the streets and poison the town's water supply. What any individual is free to do is determined by society and codified into law by society's legislative arm, the government.

    Why people don't get that, I'll never know.
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It cannot do that without imposing restrictions via legislation.
    Not really. If the government says murder is illegal, it cannot impose restrictions without doing so via legislation, that's the only way government operates. It passes laws.
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