View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So essentially you believe monopoly have a right to exist?
    If they earned their monopoly through fair trade is there a reason they shouldn't?

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So essentially you believe monopoly have a right to exist?
    From my understanding, Parker Brothers still has a monopoly on Monopoly.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "Commies" have nothing to do with this... Lets try not to go full red scare...


    Didnt answer my question. Lets try again.
    " If one person owned 99% of the land in the country, does that make it "free"?"
    How about this: If one company owns 100% of a product and the government stops that practice is that "restricting freedom"?
    ---Are you capable of answering both??---
    You brushed over the topic of discussion to interject an unrelated (discredited, marxist) question.

    Lets go back. How is the govt forcibly taking from some freedom?

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Land cannot be owned in the legitimate sense. The earth is owned in common as no mortal man contributed to it's creation in any way.
    Cool, send me your deed and be out by the end of the month. Lets put your flawed notions to test.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If they earned their monopoly through fair trade is there a reason they shouldn't?
    Because he's here to eat the rich.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Because he's here to eat the rich.
    I doubt he knows that the government is required for a monopoly to be established in the market.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Cool, send me your deed and be out by the end of the month. Lets put your flawed notions to test.
    If we can't own land then exactly why is it that countries all assume territory of patches of the earth? Why is that people and animals have been claiming land since the dawn of time? They must not understand they can't do that. I wonder how many species are doing it wrong according to Telekat's logic?

    I wonder why all communist regimes ever have assumed control of land? They must not understand Telekat's logic.
    Last edited by Henrin; 10-22-14 at 02:01 AM.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I doubt he knows that the government is required for a monopoly to be established in the market.
    Or that monopolies dont always imply corruption or lack of choice, I recently watched a convincing Tom Woods speech...

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If we can't own land then exactly why is it that countries all assume territory of patches of the earth? Why is that people and animals have been claiming land since the dawn of time? They must not understand they can't do that. I wonder how many species are doing it wrong according to Telekat's logic?

    I wonder why all communist regimes ever have assumed control of land? They must not understand Telekat's logic.
    Its amazingly flawed logic-they approach life with the assumption that all things can and MUST be equal, despite the fact that that has never happened anywhere, at anytime-and then look at inequality as EVIDENCE of the problem. I try to approach it from the flip side-why would we expect equality from such a diverse world, in nature, politics, family, or anything else?

    Telecat and the kansas commie are probably several generations removed from real hardship or achievement. After decades of prosperity and insulation from reality, people start to get very warped thinking. Marx, and other founders of what became marxism are prime examples of this-and they NEVER practiced what they preached.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    So... it's both. Laws both restrict our choices and protect our ability to make others. Without law and government, in an anarchic state, you only have complete freedom in theory. You won't actually get to make most of those choices, largely because people with more power will stop you, usually with brutal violence. Ultimately, most human governments have been little more than a slightly more civilized version of this. Monarchies and aristocracies were just the powerful people using brutal violence against everyone else to protect their own power. North Korea is like that right now. Democratic governments, meanwhile, restrict some of our choices in order to ensure that we have many others. We can't take whatever we want, kill whoever we want, or rape whoever we want, and in exchange, we are protected from other people doing that to us. This goes much deeper than violence, into enforcing our contracts, keeping the water clean, ensuring that the company that puts chicken into the grocery store is telling the truth and not giving us something else, ensuring that banks can't charge outrageous interest in order to keep banking useful as an industry, and millions of other things that keep our lives working the way we want them to every single day.

    The mantra that government is the cause of our problems is stupid. The idea that anyone things of lawmaking in terms of adding "more" government is equally stupid. Democratic government is not separate from the people. At least it's not supposed to be. It gets that way when you sell it to the highest bidder like we have. But the principle behind it is still the same. We use government to trade our rights to do things that we don't want done to us in order to ensure that those things won't be done to us. It's a trade, and it's a good one. But you have to use it right, and we drop the ball from time to time. Mainly because of the aforementioned selling to the highest bidder. That's why nobody who wrecked the economy is in prison right now. That's why we're failing to adequately protect the environment. Government is a tool, and nothing more. It must be used properly.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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