I lean right and govt restricts freedom.
I lean left and govt restricts freedom.
I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.
I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.
I am not American and govt restricts freedom.
I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.
I wonder why all communist regimes ever have assumed control of land? They must not understand Telekat's logic.
Last edited by Henrin; 10-22-14 at 12:01 AM.
Telecat and the kansas commie are probably several generations removed from real hardship or achievement. After decades of prosperity and insulation from reality, people start to get very warped thinking. Marx, and other founders of what became marxism are prime examples of this-and they NEVER practiced what they preached.
So... it's both. Laws both restrict our choices and protect our ability to make others. Without law and government, in an anarchic state, you only have complete freedom in theory. You won't actually get to make most of those choices, largely because people with more power will stop you, usually with brutal violence. Ultimately, most human governments have been little more than a slightly more civilized version of this. Monarchies and aristocracies were just the powerful people using brutal violence against everyone else to protect their own power. North Korea is like that right now. Democratic governments, meanwhile, restrict some of our choices in order to ensure that we have many others. We can't take whatever we want, kill whoever we want, or rape whoever we want, and in exchange, we are protected from other people doing that to us. This goes much deeper than violence, into enforcing our contracts, keeping the water clean, ensuring that the company that puts chicken into the grocery store is telling the truth and not giving us something else, ensuring that banks can't charge outrageous interest in order to keep banking useful as an industry, and millions of other things that keep our lives working the way we want them to every single day.
The mantra that government is the cause of our problems is stupid. The idea that anyone things of lawmaking in terms of adding "more" government is equally stupid. Democratic government is not separate from the people. At least it's not supposed to be. It gets that way when you sell it to the highest bidder like we have. But the principle behind it is still the same. We use government to trade our rights to do things that we don't want done to us in order to ensure that those things won't be done to us. It's a trade, and it's a good one. But you have to use it right, and we drop the ball from time to time. Mainly because of the aforementioned selling to the highest bidder. That's why nobody who wrecked the economy is in prison right now. That's why we're failing to adequately protect the environment. Government is a tool, and nothing more. It must be used properly.
Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.