View Poll Results: Do Governments Restrict Freedom or Provide It?

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  • I lean right and govt restricts freedom.

    23 58.97%
  • I lean left and govt restricts freedom.

    11 28.21%
  • I lean right and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    3 7.69%
  • I lean left and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt restricts freedom.

    0 0%
  • I am not American and govt does NOT restrict freedom.

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A variety of ways. Sometimes it was land that was left over after settlement. Sometimes it was land that was given to the public sector on the condition it be maintained as a park. Sometimes it was purchased.

    The point in my previous post is that its a gray area. You can't just make a blanket statement that the government restricts freedom or the government provides freedom. Its like asking a parent do you provide your children with discipline or do you provide them with love. The government does both. The world is not all black and white, cut and dry, get used to it.
    Many things are actually pretty cut and dry. Discipline is can not be mistaken for love, and force can not be mistaken for freedom.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So does the government allow people to refuse to give up their land or do they just force them to give it up and then throw money at them? Taking my land to give yourself a road is pretty ****ed up.
    If the refuse to give up the land, they can always go to court and challenge... Did you not know this?


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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And? A govt still took peoples land.
    Cool. That means nothing in this argument. If one person owned 99% of the land in the country, does that make it "free"?


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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If the refuse to give up the land, they can always go to court and challenge... Did you not know this?
    So what is their chances of winning in court? If the court establishes that it is in the state interest to take their land, exactly how can they stop it? Can they?

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is that something that is supposed to matter to my argument?
    Absolutely, yes. Because part of our system of government is based of this.

    Did they use eminent domain to take land or not? Did people lose their property to build the interstate road system? Yes or No?
    Yes. And nothing with that means anyting to "restrict freedom"


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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The government did, for the common defense of the nation.
    So. Do you have any point at all?


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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Absolutely, yes. Because part of our system of government is based of this.
    So? Why does that matter?


    Yes. And nothing with that means anyting to "restrict freedom"
    So if a common thief stole your property and threw money at you everything about that situation would be fine with you? Interesting.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So what is their chances of winning in court? If the court establishes that it is in the state interest to take their land, exactly how can they stop it? Can they?
    By winning the case. There are many cases where the state lost...


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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Cool. That means nothing in this argument. If one person owned 99% of the land in the country, does that make it "free"?
    Actually it means everything. You said the government can expand people freedom, but stealing peoples land doesn't increase freedom. If the government were to build something on that land all they did was rob someone of their freedom to benefit other people. At best they moved freedom from place A to place B by the use of theft.

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    Re: Do governments restrict freedom or provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    By winning the case. There are many cases where the state lost...
    Is that perhaps because they didn't prove a state interest? What happens when the state does in fact win their state interest argument? Does the person trying to stop their land from being stolen lose their property? The answer is yes.

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